Yet another puzzle

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:35 pm

I'm not up on the application of the different "lipped" front fenders, but it definitely has those. Speaking of fenders, the rear seems to follow the contour of the splash shield, but the inside bead looks like it's parallel to the outside edge. The crankcase profile doesn't seem to be a "teacup". Again, I'm unclear on the chronology oc the crankcase designs. Neat five-lug demountable wheels, almost as if they reckoned they'd only get flats on the rear !

I'm sure Rich is right, they were probably installed with load capacity in mind. Last, that's a '13 or '14 T across the street. Good evidence the photo was not taken before 1913.

(Photo re-posted for continuity)

Dan Haynes · Post by **Dan Haynes** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:54 pm

Rich -
I think the right front wheel has been changed back to non-demountable, though it also appears to be 30x3-1/2.

The left front wheel has visible bolt heads (4 of the 5) for the mounting lugs.

Herb Iffrig · Post by **Herb Iffrig** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:11 pm

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Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:30 pm

Merry Christmas Herb. The radiator looks like a Schacht high wheeler. I'm not sure if it is. I don't see one with a hood or splash shield at the hand crank.
Good to see it.
Rich

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Mon Dec 26, 2022 11:08 am

It would seem the Schacht is a mid-engine arrangement ? I bet the driver kept plenty warm in hot days ! The radiator is a ringer for the mystery vehicle. Perhaps Schacht produced many variations with low numbers of machines built ? These earliest vehicles are fascinating. So many are almost "one-off" examples.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:15 pm

So many of the 2-cyl cars were mid-engines. This Schatch has it more to the rear. Many were air cooled rather than water cooled. Imagine the design debates in those days. General rules had not been established and a bad idea at one company made another one successful.

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Sat Dec 31, 2022 5:05 pm

Here's a 20s car with an odd square or diamond-shaped hubcap that's nagging my weak remembry cells - what is it ?

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sat Dec 31, 2022 5:39 pm

I think it's a Dodge. 1923 or earlier. In 1924 the headlights were drum style. Those fenders have the distinctive bulge.

Herb Iffrig · Post by **Herb Iffrig** » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:56 am

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This one should be easy.

Lgitts · Post by **Lgitts** » Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:47 pm

Looks like a 1905 Franklin.

Burger in Spokane · Post by **Burger in Spokane** » Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:32 am

I love all the stuff going on in this shot !

Caddy ?

Post by **Tadpole** » Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:08 am

Yes sir, I'd say it's a 1913 or 14, Rich Eagle could tell you better.

Can't beat an old covered bridge, there are several here locally in the Ohio River Valley. Can anyone read any of those signs?
I assume it's a covered bridge, what's with the wooden boards at the entrance?

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:10 pm

Thanks Tad. From what I see, Cadillac began using electric lights like that in 1912. By 1914 they seem to have used a smaller cowl lamp so '12-'13 would be my guess.
It is a great photo. I wish we had some covered bridges like that around here.
Rich
Les nailed the Franklin. You can see the evidence in 4 cylinders through the grillwork.
Great looking little cars.
Thanks for the identifications.

Burger in Spokane · Post by **Burger in Spokane** » Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:19 pm

FYI = the Caddy/covered bridge shot is said to be Marion, Indiana.

Kaiser · Post by **Kaiser** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:50 am

I think its a coverup

Post by **TXGOAT2** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:27 am

Yep... another clever coverup perpetrated by the Ancient Aliens working closely with the Russians to cover up their cooperative secret launching pads. All of these so-called bridges are oriented along vectors that converge at the exact center of the Bermuda Triangle!

Burger in Spokane · Post by **Burger in Spokane** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:27 am

OK, super sleuths .... the split grille reminds me of a 29-30
Oakland, but this is older.

Burger in Spokane · Post by **Burger in Spokane** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:52 am

Further digging shows a similar radiator shell and exact match
of the emblem to the Elgin car - 1916-1923. The center grill bar
matches no photos I can find.

Post by **Tadpole** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:28 am

Mr. Burger,

I think you've got it, and the radiator has some dirt and strange lighting over it.

Herb Iffrig · Post by **Herb Iffrig** » Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:05 pm

Burger in Spokane · Post by **Burger in Spokane** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:23 am

Kinda looks like a Rambler ....

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:18 am

Thankyou Herb for that photo. That is a 1906 or 07 Buick Model F two cylinder. It has Gray & Davis bullet headlights like my Model G. Gs were the runabout and Fs were the Touring car. It is most likely painted "Purple Lale". The Lake colors were a very deep gloss.
Rich

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:32 am

Neat "DIY" license tag !

Now for "TMI". In the arcana of painting materials in the days before synthetics, "lake" pigments were those generally derived from vegetable sources, and were very transparent. The term lake is a corruption of "laca", or lacquer.

Buick's Purple Lake was probably achieved by over-glazing a blue ground with varnishes saturated with crimson lake, and the effect would have been stunning; a highly polished surface with a transparency that would have made it look a foot deep ! The method would have followed practices that had been in use for finishing expensive carriages throughout the 19th century. High-end auto makers like Buick often went top of the line to finish their products.

Today, we can only guess how impressive that Purple Lake finish was. Unfortunately, those materials did not hold up well in service, most lake colors were "fugitive", i.e., prone to fade or discolor rapidly. It was common practice for wealthy owners to have their carriages refinished annually. Traditional materials and methods disappeared in the early 20s with the inception of nitrocellulose lacquer and the pressures of mass production.

Dan Haynes · Post by **Dan Haynes** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:05 am

1906 Buick

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:44 am

Thanks Dan, and thanks for the explanation of Lake colors Rich.

My ,07 G is painted with a match to an original Purple Lake.
It is a fun car to have and drive and makes me appreciate Model Ts all the more.
I may do a painting from that if I get a chance. It's a great view of it.

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:06 pm

It's a great car to see ! Thanks for posting those pix, Rich !

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:35 pm

Here's a great looking little roadster. Photo claims 1912 but the car looks mid-teens to me. Sorry for the poor resolution.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:47 am

A 1918 Overland is as close as I can guess.

Post by **oldnrusty1** » Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:32 pm

The Overland is a very close, though the front fenders don't match. Can't find a match either but that round emblem in the corner of the radiator was a "thing" for KisselKar for years.

Post by **BobD** » Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:36 pm

Rich E and Oldnrusty1 posts per Overland and KisselKar produced this from a search on Ron Hausman's KisselKar site. Not sure of the year.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:32 pm

Nice job Bob. I believe that is it. The model 6-38 was offered in 1916 and called the 6-38 100 point in 1917 to 1919 according to the Standard Catalog by Kimes and Clark.

Without bumper.

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:36 pm

Here's a fun photo. I'm thinking this should be an easy identification. Sometimes we forget our early cars were built to be all-terrain vehicles. Even then they got into trouble !

Herb Iffrig · Post by **Herb Iffrig** » Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:42 pm

Is that a Hudson?

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:02 pm

From Merry Olde England - is there a Model T in there somewhere ?!? Photo date 1914.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:37 pm

No puzzle here. I thought this might be the best place to post it.

"A circa 1914 Mercer."

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:58 pm

Thanks for posting that, Rich. It's a treat to see, and to be reminded what a beast the Mercer was (is) !

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:34 am

Photo date 1920. Probably an easy one ?

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:12 pm

I see the 1920 copyright but the license plate is a Washington 1921.
"Plates from 1916 through 1920 were issued on a March-to-March basis. The year on the plate indicated the year it expired."
In 1921 "The legislature changed the plate expiration date to December 31, making it necessary to order new license plates."
So, the picture could have been taken after March 1920.
As trivial as that is.
The car appears to be a shovel-nosed Franklin. (Air Cooled) Probably a year or so old.
The Stump began "as a tree, which was killed by fire in 1893; reduced to stump size and tunneled in 1916; given a concrete base in 1922; and moved alongside the new Highway 99 in 1939. The stump moved in 1971 to its current home, at the Smokey Point Rest Area at milepost 207 off Interstate 5."
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=6bc3cc19 ... 1bXA&ntb=1
Rich

Herb Iffrig · Post by **Herb Iffrig** » Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:50 am

What brand is this

one?

Post by **Jerry VanOoteghem** » Thu Jan 26, 2023 12:19 pm

Herb Iffrig wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:50 am
What brand is thistouring car3.JPG one?

A Rambler I believe.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:36 pm

It is more recognizable than this one was:

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:00 pm

I'm amused the car is a prop in a photographer's studio ! Usually automobile props for photos like this were either cobbled "invented" props, or 'way out of date for fun pictures. The subject's clothing seems contemporary with the car in this case.

Herb Iffrig · Post by **Herb Iffrig** » Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:36 pm

You guys are something else!

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 4:44 pm

People went to photo studios before personal cameras were available and popular. Having props was part of the business and when cars were introduced it must have been a popular prop.
Either a real car:

Or a crafted prop.

Here is a very similar Rambler.

Rich

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:41 pm

Those are great, Rich ! Thanks for posting them. I think generating some envy was a possible motive early on, when real cars were used as props

You had to be "well heeled" to afford an automobile in the "oughts".

The use of studio props has an amusing (to me) side after a century or more. It was very popular for visitors from the East to have a studio photo taken wearing "cowboy" regalia - usually wooly chaps, "ten gallon" Stetsons, and of course lots of pistols, gun belts and rifles. Complicating the issue is the reasonable number of such portraits of actual working ranchers and cowhands. Sorting the "real deal" from the Rexall rangers is often speculative, but a lot of fun.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:32 pm

I stumbled across another Rambler I believe. Why would they be so popular for this or is it just a coincidence?

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:23 pm

What impressed me about the previous Rambler pic was how roomy and invitingly comfortable the rear seat appears to be. Could be photographers preferred them for that reason ?

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:29 pm

As we begin to learn the earmarks, this should be an easy "id". The truth behind the wisecrack "get a horse !" Sometimes they'd save the day ! This one looks to me like driver error ! Drove into an off-road hole, not the machine's fault !

Post by **mbowen** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 4:20 pm

We all know WHAT it is, the question is WHERE is it?

Erik Johnson · Post by **Erik Johnson** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 8:39 pm

RE: Rambler studio photos

I believe those photos were taken in Minneapolis.

I regularly peruse eBay for Minneapolis photos.

Over the years, I have seen dozens of real photo studio postcards with that same Rambler. When they have been mailed, they almost always have a Minneapolis postmark. Sometimes they are marked on the back "Electric Studio - 5 Wash, Ave. So. Minneapolis." In Minneapolis city directories, the studio was listed as Electric Postcard Studio at that same address.

Because they are so common, I can only conclude that thousands of studio photos were taken in Minneapolis with that Rambler.

Currently, there are six RPPCs listed on eBay with that same Rambler:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/295479101003?h ... R6ikxbC_YQ

https://www.ebay.com/itm/125337184497?h ... R-zrsrC_YQ

https://www.ebay.com/itm/173921300574?h ... R-rrsrC_YQ

https://www.ebay.com/itm/304778233941?h ... R-rrsrC_YQ

https://www.ebay.com/itm/401809432113?h ... BM6OuysL9h

https://www.ebay.com/itm/295479158394?h ... R-brsrC_YQ

Erik Johnson · Post by **Erik Johnson** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:47 pm

Even more photos on eBay of the same Rambler that I have found when I use different search parameters:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/224139376216?h ... BM3OKVtb9h

This one has a reference to Electric Photo and Postcard Studio Minneapolis on the back:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325501492121?h ... BMltiKtb9h

https://www.ebay.com/itm/223975769658?h ... BM1PP_tL9h

I believe this is the same car, prior to being painted a brighter color:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333562474231?h ... BM0vP_tL9h

Minneapolis postmark
https://www.ebay.com/itm/353068554974?h ... BMgsDvtL9h

Correspondence on the postcard references Minneapolis:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225379318108?h ... R7D01rS_YQ

Source of photo that someone previously posted in this thread:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/374482908171?h ... BM2JOttL9h

Possibly the same Ramber - however, the rear door seems to be bowed above the mid-moulding but that may be an optical illusion due to the shadow:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/223477087047?h ... R67EprW_YQ

This may be the same car sans windshield - however, a Seattle studio is referenced on the back.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225371793943?h ... R9yTrbS_YQ

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 10:57 am

The Boise fire chief turned out in this spiffy roadster. No date

Erik Johnson · Post by **Erik Johnson** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 12:17 pm

E-M-F Fore-Door Roadster

http://emfauto.org/EMF_photos_1912.php#roadsters

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:31 pm

Thanks Erik ! And many thanks for the links to all the studio photos of the Rambler. That's fun to know !

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:22 pm

Maybe there aren't enough original earmarks to identify what make is the basis for this appealing little speedster ? The photo is dated 1916.

This photo has me pondering what motivated "motor boys" to build speedsters in those early days as opposed to how modern day builders of speedsters approach the problem. This photo shows a vehicle stripped down to essentials for a mostly roadless cross-country trek over wagon roads and cattle trails. It's packing gear for roughing it, and making spot repairs.

Kaiser · Post by **Kaiser** » Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:47 am

About the A, the partly visible licence plate seems to point to Sweden ?

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:51 am

Not a model A. Looks like the celebrated 15 millionth Model T. I don't know where it is.

Erik Johnson · Post by **Erik Johnson** » Mon Jan 30, 2023 11:58 am

I'm pretty sure the speedster is a Metz, 1911 or later due to the left-hand drive.

Post by **mbowen** » Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:04 pm

mbowen wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 28, 2023 4:20 pm
We all know WHAT it is, the question is WHERE is it?

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I was hoping to get a response from one of our posters from the bottom of the planet. It’s at the Vintage Car and Machinery Museum in Geraldine, New Zealand, on the South Island. Seven buildings full of historic vehicles, farm machinery, toys, and even an airplane or two. Well worth the $15 (about $10 US) entrance fee.

https://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/collections ... ery-museum

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:05 pm

Looks like the whole fam damly turned out for a photograph with the new car. No date on photo. Big car !! What is it ?

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:18 pm

I don't recognize European cars very well. I gave away my best book on them for space and lack of interest.
This Gladiator 10 HP, voiture routière de 1903 is the closest I have seen.

This "Believed 1903 Lacoste et Battmann 12HP twin cylinder Rear-Entrance Tonneau" also has some similarities to it. Maybe a different year or model.

I was looking for Clement Bayards as they seem to ring a bell. The attire and the headlamps didn't look like U.S. items to me.
Perhaps if we bounce this post up someone will identify it.
Rich

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:04 pm

I have to apologize for posting a European car. I didn't know the photo came from across the pond.

It's not my intention to present them, not because they don't present a wide field of fascinating interest, it's just that I have a tough enough time with US makes.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:35 pm

That's my problem too. We copied so much from the European cars and vice versa. They are not readily recognizable.
I have learned a great deal from this thread as well as others and that is worth a lot to me.
I am glad you have been able to find these pictures. Each one is a gem from the past and fun to study.
The patina on ones I run across in the search is a treasure in itself.
Thanks
Rich

Post by **Tadpole** » Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:23 pm

Slap another one on the pile, probably American this time.

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:41 pm

Hmmm. Style of plate, right hand steering and "NSW" lead me to believe the photo hails from Australia ? (which doesn't mean it's not an American make)

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:02 pm

I think we are being fooled by the reflection on the radiator shell. I'm convinced it is a 1928 Willys-Overland Whippet. (3 at right)

'29 had a radiator that looks more like this one, but the fender and body styling changed. I considered it might be a transition, but probably not.
Bumpers appeared to be an option.

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:50 pm

Nailed it Rich ! Retrospective, now I can see the doggie mascot in the original photo. I only recall seeing one Whippet in "real life" very appealing little car !

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sat Feb 04, 2023 12:09 pm

Here is a '27 Whippet. Much the same.

I remember a Whippet Roadster running around Bozeman in the 60s. It was a bit smaller than a Model A.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sat Feb 04, 2023 12:40 pm

Hold on. My apologies.
I did some more digging and found there was a Model 98 with a six-cylinder engine in 1928. It had the radiator we see in Mr. Glahn's photo.

and
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=5d3c9f56 ... 5MjE&ntb=1
It's too easy to jump to conclusions. I will strive to be more thorough in the future.
Rich

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:57 pm

Here's another studio photo using an automobile as a prop. Is there enough detail visible to make an identification ? (No info on the photo, I hope it's not European)

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sun Feb 05, 2023 3:32 pm

That is a very attractive lady with an inviting look on her face. I don't recognize any of the futures on the car. The chain guard has a French look to it but the rest could be U.S. or not. It has the footprint of a square acetylene generator left on the side. The diamond shaped running board mat could be a clue. I think I see a rear wheel instead of a flywheel suggesting a one or two-cylinder engine has been removed. The heavy plate attached to the frame seems like an afterthought or perhaps a low production car to me. However, the contour to the seat would appear something a more expensive car would have.
I hope someone will know exactly what it is. I think I would enjoy having one.
This is one of the more interesting studio shots.
Thanks again.
Rich

Post by **TXGOAT2** » Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:07 pm

I can't tell if it's a flywheel or road wheel that is barely visible to the left rear. I wonder if that car had outside lever controls that were removed to make getting in and out easier. There appears to be an opening just below the lady's dress that might have been for a control shaft and lever or levers.

Post by **TXGOAT2** » Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:19 pm

"White City" often referred to the buildings put up for the World's Columbian Exposition of 1893. That might be a little early for that car. However, another Chicago venue, White City Park, opened around 1905 and lasted most of 50 years. That photo may well have been taken at White City Park. That doesn't say much about the car, except that it might point to it being a USA make.

Dan Haynes · Post by **Dan Haynes** » Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:23 pm

The car with the ladies is a 1903 or '04 Pope-Toledo.

Post by **TXGOAT2** » Sun Feb 05, 2023 6:52 pm

"The ball-bearing car"

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:06 pm

Much Thanks Dan. Again, your expertise solves the question. And it is an American built car. This leaves no doubt.

"1904 Pope-Toledo 24HP Four-Cylinder Rear Entrance Tonneau". It is the transmission which had been removed. The controls also were gone to permit entrance and exit.
Thank you so much.
Rich
https://www.bonhams.com/auction/25219/l ... e-no-2444/
And another.

Herb Iffrig · Post by **Herb Iffrig** » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:32 am

Post by **TXGOAT2** » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:05 am

Oh! The METHANE!

Herb Iffrig · Post by **Herb Iffrig** » Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:43 am

This looks like an identifiable rear axle.

Dan Haynes · Post by **Dan Haynes** » Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:57 am

That is a Cartercar rear axle.

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Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:27 am

Thanks Dan ! I know I'd seen that unique rear end before, I believe it was in a garage photo with the axle partly disassembled but I don't think the make was identified !

Here's one that has my weak "remembry" perking - the image is a little odd, perhaps from the company's literature ? Looks photographic, but heavily retouched - not quite free illustration.

Dan Haynes · Post by **Dan Haynes** » Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:57 pm

That is a De Dion Bouton, 1898 - 1899

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:31 am

Thanks Dan !!

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:16 pm

That image, Rich, was titled "Viennese Ladies in their Schnauferl – Automobile Magazine 1900" ctgpublishing.com. In Germany, "In 1900 the Allgemeine Schnauferl Club (ASC) was established during the general motor vehicle exhibition. An association, which is still committed to the preservation and tradition of vintage cars."
It does have some interesting retouching.
Thanks for posting it and thanks, Dan, for the identification.
Rich

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:25 pm

Thanks for the detail Rich ! Many of my sources for these pictures give no information about place or date. I'm trying to avoid European cars, but my ignorance of the early years isn't helping.

Fair question though, was the DeDion-Bouton extensively imported to the US, and did any American makes adopt that steering and throttle control arrangement ? It looks very familiar to me.

Post by **TXGOAT2** » Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:28 pm

I'd have guessed a "schnauferl" was some sort of lapdog.

Erik Johnson · Post by **Erik Johnson** » Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:33 pm

Not American, but some early Benz automobiles, including the Benz Velo, had that steering/throttle arrangement.

Rich P. Bingham · Post by **Rich P. Bingham** » Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:40 pm

Thanks Erik, I'll bet that's where I've seen it !

Herb Iffrig · Post by **Herb Iffrig** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:18 am

Post by **Jerry VanOoteghem** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:07 am

Herb,

I'll say EMF, cause I don't know no better.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:59 pm

It does look a lot like an '11 EMF Jerry. I found this nice one looking it up.

http://www.tomlaferriere.com/listings/1 ... 30-touring
Thanks for that.
Rich

Post by **Bryant** » Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:09 pm

Saw this picture hanging on the wall in a book store. I thought it was a TT at first glance but Iam not sure. Has some interesting covers on it.

Any thoughts?
Bryant

Herb Iffrig · Post by **Herb Iffrig** » Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:23 am

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:19 pm

I'm inclined to say it is a 1910 Mitchell or there abouts.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sun Feb 19, 2023 7:41 pm

As for the Calvert Lithographing Co. Truck, they were founded in Detroit, Mich in 1863 and sold in 1950. They produced can labels. I can't tell what make it is. Some parts are similar to the White trucks, and some are very different. Maybe someone else knows.
Rich

Herb Iffrig · Post by **Herb Iffrig** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:25 am

Dan Haynes · Post by **Dan Haynes** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:02 pm

Not sure of the year, maybe 1914 or 1915, but I think that's a Saxon. I laughed at the owner 100 years after the fact at his addition of all the headlights!

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:20 pm

I though Saxon too, Dan. I couldn't find one with the same fenders. The Wheelbase looked a little long too. They certainly made a lot of different ones.
That hood was standard on all of them.

1915 Saxon Model 14 in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Movie, 1989.
Thanks
Rich

Post by **Bryant** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:31 pm

I love that car!

Herb Iffrig · Post by **Herb Iffrig** » Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:39 pm