A protective boot for the front yoke ball

Discuss all things Model T related.
Forum rules
If you need help logging in, or have question about how something works, use the Support forum located here Support Forum
Complete set of Forum Rules Forum Rules
User avatar

Topic author
vech
Posts: 94
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:11 pm
First Name: Craig
Last Name: Vechorik
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1915 Touring, 1922 coupe
Location: Stugis, Mississippi

A protective boot for the front yoke ball

Post by vech » Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:33 pm

The front yoke ball, that seats in the oil pan, is exposed to road dirt, and water, since it is unprotected in any way.
I have been occasionally removing the APCO cover, and cleaning up the old grease and dirt and re-greasing the ball and related parts.
While staring at it, I thought of an easy way to make a protective rubber boot, to keep the grease more or less in place, and the dirt and water out of the assembly. I bought at the auto parts store, a universal replacement tie rod rubber boot, and I used a gasket punch and a hammer to increase the diameter of the small end, so it you simply stretch it and pop it over the ball, and it fits the shaft just behind the ball snugly. I then packed the inside of the boot with fresh grease and when re-assembled on the oil pan, it looks like this. While it may not keep 100% of the dirt and water out, it has to be an improvement in that direction. The rubber does not interfere with the movement of the ball in any way.
It is just what everyone likes, simple and cheap, and works!
boot.jpg
"If a fly can, a flywheel" :shock:


John kuehn
Posts: 4433
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:00 pm
First Name: John
Last Name: Kuehn
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 19 Roadster, 21 Touring, 24 Coupe
Location: Texas

Re: A protective boot for the front yoke ball

Post by John kuehn » Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:38 pm

Good idea to keep the dirt, crud and mud out of the area! I suppose it was Fords thinking it would be kept clean since maintenance for the joints and etc was supposed to be done pretty often compared to what we think about that now. I can remember my Mother saying that driving a 100 mile trip in their Model T was an extremely long way to them and it wasn’t done very often if at all in their family. We think a lot different these days!

User avatar

Humblej
Posts: 1957
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:23 pm
First Name: Jeff
Last Name: Humble
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1926 Canadian coupe, 1924 TT C-cab, 1924 runabout
Location: Charlevoix, Mi
Board Member Since: 2006

Re: A protective boot for the front yoke ball

Post by Humblej » Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:16 pm

The Apco ball cap has its own spring, using 2 springs on the studs makes too many springs. Use the Apco, or the stud springs, not both. IMO the Ford spring loaded ball cap is a good design and better than the Apco. Where the Apco spring loaded ball caps shine is on the steering drag link.

User avatar

JTT3
Posts: 1855
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:57 am
First Name: John
Last Name: Tannehill
Location: Hot Coffee, MS

Re: A protective boot for the front yoke ball

Post by JTT3 » Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:52 pm

Really good idea, nicely done Vech.

User avatar

Rich Eagle
Posts: 6895
Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:51 am
First Name: Richard
Last Name: Eagle
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1909 TR 1914 TR 1915 Rd 1920 Spdstr 1922 Coupe 1925 Tudor
Location: Idaho Falls, ID

Re: A protective boot for the front yoke ball

Post by Rich Eagle » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:49 am

Many cars had fitted leather boots that were laced over steering knuckles, u-joints and such places to keep grease in and dirt out.
It is a great idea.
Rich
When did I do that?

User avatar

Topic author
vech
Posts: 94
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:11 pm
First Name: Craig
Last Name: Vechorik
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1915 Touring, 1922 coupe
Location: Stugis, Mississippi

Re: A protective boot for the front yoke ball

Post by vech » Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:01 pm

Thanks for the kind words, guys.

I neglected to post the part number and source for that replacement rubber boot. I bought them from O'Reilly auto parts, but they are made by Dorman products, and one should be able to find them locally, just about everywhere. As I said before, you have to enlarge the small hole in the end with a gasket punch and a hammer to get it to pop over the ball.

boot2.jpg
"If a fly can, a flywheel" :shock:


TXGOAT2
Posts: 7391
Joined: Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:08 pm
First Name: Pat
Last Name: McNallen
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1926-7 roadster
Location: Graham, Texas
Board Member Since: 2021

Re: A protective boot for the front yoke ball

Post by TXGOAT2 » Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:33 pm

You could add new grease with a grease needle, if needed.


Scott_Conger
Posts: 6523
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:18 am
First Name: Scott
Last Name: Conger
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1919
Location: not near anywhere, WY
Board Member Since: 2005

Re: A protective boot for the front yoke ball

Post by Scott_Conger » Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:43 pm

Craig

when I first saw this I thought that it was one of the real hidden gems buried within the confines of the Forum

I applaud your creative and practical idea. I am not a fan of dorking around with a "T", but I really like this one. Congrats.
Scott Conger

Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny

NH Full Flow Float Valves™
Obsolete carburetor parts manufactured

User avatar

Mark Gregush
Posts: 5370
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:57 pm
First Name: Mark
Last Name: Gregush
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1925 cutdown PU, 1948 F2 Ford flat head 6 pickup 3 speed
Location: Portland Or
Board Member Since: 1999

Re: A protective boot for the front yoke ball

Post by Mark Gregush » Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:53 am

Humblej wrote:
Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:16 pm
The Apco ball cap has its own spring, using 2 springs on the studs makes too many springs. Use the Apco, or the stud springs, not both. IMO the Ford spring loaded ball cap is a good design and better than the Apco. Where the Apco spring loaded ball caps shine is on the steering drag link.
When using the APCO unit, you can run the nuts up tight compressing the original springs, which then act like spacers.

Big thumbs up on this idea!
I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas! :shock:

1925 Cut down pickup
1948 Ford F2 pickup


Original Smith
Posts: 3699
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:43 am
First Name: Larry
Last Name: Smith
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 13 Touring, 13 Roadster, 17 Coupelet, 25 Roadster P/U
Location: Lomita, California
MTFCA Life Member: YES

Re: A protective boot for the front yoke ball

Post by Original Smith » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:37 am

That is a neat idea. I've been driving T's for over 50 years, and have not seen a need for this part.

User avatar

Rich Eagle
Posts: 6895
Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:51 am
First Name: Richard
Last Name: Eagle
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1909 TR 1914 TR 1915 Rd 1920 Spdstr 1922 Coupe 1925 Tudor
Location: Idaho Falls, ID

Re: A protective boot for the front yoke ball

Post by Rich Eagle » Mon Apr 03, 2023 12:21 pm

I finally found a photo of the type of boot I was describing above. This was on the Gooding&Co site.
Boot.jpg
Period and authentic.
When did I do that?


SurfCityGene
Posts: 681
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:00 pm
First Name: Gene
Last Name: Carrothers
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1912 Torpedo Roadster
Location: Huntington Beach, Ca
Board Member Since: 1999

Re: A protective boot for the front yoke ball

Post by SurfCityGene » Mon Apr 03, 2023 2:07 pm

Hi Craig, Love your idea! It looks like a perfect fit? Did you feel this was the best size to order after your install? What size hole punch did you use to end up with a nice tight fit? I see a Rockauto price of 3.50 for two!

Thanks
1912 Torpedo Roadster

Post Reply Previous topicNext topic