Using AI (ChatGPT) to find answers to Model T related questions

[Matt in California]

ChatGPT is all the rage. I thought that I would use it on something I know something about to see how ChatGPT responds.

Question #1: "where can I buy model t parts"

You can find Model T parts from a variety of sources. Here are a few options:

1. Online Marketplaces: Websites like eBay, Amazon, and Craigslist often have listings for Model T parts. You can search for specific parts or browse through the available options.

2. Specialty Retailers: There are dedicated retailers that specialize in vintage and classic car parts. Some well-known ones include Snyder's Antique Auto Parts (https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/) and Lang's Old Car Parts (https://www.modeltford.com/).

3. Model T Clubs and Forums: Joining a Model T club or participating in online forums and communities can provide you with valuable information and connections to other Model T enthusiasts who may have spare parts or know where to find them.

4. Salvage Yards and Auto Restoration Shops: Local salvage yards or auto restoration shops that specialize in classic cars may have Model T parts in their inventory or be able to source them for you.

5. Antique Auto Shows and Swap Meets: Attending antique auto shows, swap meets, and flea markets that focus on vintage cars can be a great way to find Model T parts. These events often have vendors selling various automotive parts and accessories.

Remember to do thorough research, compare prices, and ensure the authenticity and quality of the parts before making a purchase. It's also a good idea to consult with experienced Model T enthusiasts or professionals to ensure you're getting the correct parts for your specific needs.

Question #2: "how to rebuild a model t ford rear axle"

Rebuilding a Model T Ford rear axle requires mechanical knowledge, tools, and a step-by-step approach. While I can provide a general outline of the process, it's essential to consult a detailed repair manual specific to Model T Ford or seek assistance from a knowledgeable mechanic or Model T enthusiast for guidance. Here's a high-level overview of the process:

1. Gather the necessary tools and equipment: This may include a jack, jack stands, socket and wrench set, pliers, hammer, pullers, torque wrench, bearing puller/installer, gaskets, seals, and lubricants.

2. Lift and support the vehicle: Use a jack and jack stands to safely lift and support the rear of the vehicle, ensuring it is secure before proceeding.

3. Remove the wheels and brake components: Remove the wheels, brake drums, brake shoes, and related components from the rear axle.

4. Disassemble the axle: Remove the differential cover, pinion gear, spider gears, and other internal components of the rear axle. Take care to note the position and orientation of each part for reassembly.

5. Inspect and clean components: Inspect the gears, bearings, seals, and other axle components for wear or damage. Clean all parts thoroughly using a suitable solvent.

6. Replace worn or damaged parts: Replace any worn or damaged parts, such as gears, bearings, seals, or gaskets, with new ones.

7. Reassemble the axle: Install the rebuilt or new components back into the axle housing, following the manufacturer's specifications and torque settings.

8. Install brake components: Reinstall the brake shoes, brake drums, and related components according to the manufacturer's instructions.

9. Adjust and lubricate: Adjust the brakes to ensure proper operation. Apply suitable lubricants to the gears, bearings, and other moving parts as recommended by the manufacturer.

10. Reinstall wheels and test: Mount the wheels back onto the axle, ensuring proper tightening of lug nuts. Lower the vehicle, and conduct a thorough test drive to ensure the rear axle functions correctly and the brakes operate smoothly.

Keep in mind that this is just a general overview, and the specific steps may vary depending on the exact model and condition of the Model T Ford rear axle. Always refer to the appropriate repair manual or consult with an experienced mechanic for detailed instructions and guidance throughout the rebuilding process.

Question #3: "How should I go about buying a model t ford?"

When buying a Model T Ford, it's important to consider several factors to ensure you make an informed purchase. Here are some steps to guide you:

1. Research and educate yourself: Familiarize yourself with the Model T Ford by reading books, online resources, and forums dedicated to vintage cars. Learn about its features, common issues, and pricing trends to gain a better understanding of what to expect.

2. Set a budget: Determine your budget range and how much you are willing to spend on purchasing a Model T Ford. Consider not only the initial purchase cost but also potential restoration or maintenance expenses.

3. Decide on the condition: Model T Fords can range from fully restored to non-running project cars. Decide on the level of condition you're comfortable with and the amount of restoration work you're willing to undertake.

4. Research the market: Look for Model T Fords for sale through various channels such as online marketplaces, classified ads, local car clubs, and auctions. Pay attention to prices, locations, and the specific details provided about each car.

5. Inspect and evaluate: If possible, visit the seller in person or have a knowledgeable mechanic or Model T enthusiast accompany you to inspect the vehicle thoroughly. Check for rust, structural issues, engine condition, and the completeness of parts.

6. Verify ownership and documentation: Ensure that the seller has clear ownership documentation, such as a title or bill of sale, to avoid any legal complications.

7. Test drive or assess running condition: If the Model T Ford is operational, take it for a test drive or have someone experienced evaluate its running condition. Pay attention to engine performance, brakes, transmission, and steering.

8. Consider maintenance and support: Take into account the availability of parts, resources, and expertise for maintaining and restoring a Model T Ford. Check if there are local Model T clubs or knowledgeable enthusiasts who can provide guidance or assistance.

9. Negotiate and finalize the purchase: If you decide to proceed with the purchase, negotiate the price based on the vehicle's condition, market value, and any repairs or restoration work needed. Once a price is agreed upon, ensure all necessary paperwork and documentation are completed correctly.

10. Transport and insurance: Arrange for transportation of the vehicle to your desired location, and consider obtaining appropriate insurance coverage for your Model T Ford.

Remember to exercise caution, do your due diligence, and consider seeking advice from experienced individuals when buying a Model T Ford. The more you educate yourself and thoroughly evaluate potential purchases, the better equipped you'll be to find a Model T Ford that suits your needs and preferences.

Question #4: "What type of oil should I use for a Model T Ford?"

For a Model T Ford, the original recommendation was to use non-detergent SAE 10W-30 or SAE 10W-40 motor oil. However, it's important to note that the oil recommendations have evolved over the years, and modern oil formulations may offer improved performance and protection for the engine.

Here are some factors to consider when choosing oil for your Model T Ford:

1. Classic or modern oil: You have the option to use classic non-detergent oils, which mimic the original formulations, or modern oils with enhanced additives and detergents.

2. Viscosity: The Model T Ford was designed to operate with a single-grade oil, and a common choice is SAE 30 weight. However, depending on your climate and driving conditions, you may consider slightly lighter oils, such as SAE 20 or even multi-grade oils like SAE 10W-30, which offer better cold-start lubrication.

3. Oil additives: Some enthusiasts opt to use oil additives specifically designed for classic engines. These additives can help protect against wear, reduce oil consumption, and improve engine performance.

4. Synthetic oils: While synthetic oils were not available during the Model T era, some owners have chosen to use synthetic oils in their vintage cars. Synthetic oils offer excellent high-temperature stability and may provide enhanced protection for the engine.

It's recommended to consult with experienced Model T Ford enthusiasts, mechanics, or vintage car experts for specific oil recommendations based on your driving conditions and the engine's condition. They can provide valuable insights and suggestions based on their practical experience with Model T Fords.

Additionally, always refer to the owner's manual, if available, or seek guidance from reputable Model T Ford resources to ensure you are using the most suitable oil for your specific Model T Ford and its operating conditions.

Wow! What do you think?
Matt

[George House]

What the hell is ChatGPT ??… A.I. ??

[Scott_Conger]

I think it gives better advice than sometimes can be found here with a live respondent

[Flivver]

I think it gives better advice than sometimes can be found here with a live respondent

hahaha

[bdtutton]

ChatGPT is just one of many AI tools out there. It is a general tool, but in the future you will see new AI tools related to Automotive, Finance, Medical and many more fields. Each will have even more in depth knowledge. The good, but scary part of this is that AI is only going to get smarter.

[Matt in California]

What the hell is ChatGPT ??… A.I. ??

George,
A.I. = Artificial Intelligence
ChatGPT is like Google on steroids!

[George House]

Well then; why should us old guys with over a half century learning about Ts continue to receive gratification mentoring young fellas and self described ‘newbys’ with their issues ? I’m gonna sell my stock in Model T Ford Service Manual…. Tell ‘em to get a ChatBLT…

[Matt in California]

Well then; why should us old guys with over a half century learning about Ts continue to receive gratification mentoring young fellas and self described ‘newbys’ with their issues ? I’m gonna sell my stock in Model T Ford Service Manual…. Tell ‘em to get a ChatBLT…

George, the rabbit hole gets worse. Here is ChapGPTs response to your post!

I apologize if my previous responses didn't fully address your concerns or expectations. As an AI language model, my purpose is to provide information and assistance based on the available knowledge. I understand that the knowledge and experience of seasoned enthusiasts like yourself are invaluable in mentoring and guiding others in the Model T community.

While AI can provide general information and guidance, it cannot replace the depth of knowledge, personal experience, and mentorship that individuals like you bring to the table. Your hands-on experience and expertise in working with Model T Fords are vital for passing on the traditions, techniques, and insights that have been developed over decades.

Mentoring and sharing knowledge with younger generations or newcomers to the Model T community can help preserve the legacy of these classic vehicles and foster a sense of community and camaraderie among enthusiasts. Your guidance can help them navigate challenges, learn from your experiences, and develop their skills as they embrace the world of Model T Fords.

While AI can assist with providing general information and answering specific questions, it cannot replicate the personal touch and wisdom that mentors like you bring to the table. Your contribution and dedication to mentoring others are greatly appreciated and have a lasting impact on the Model T community.

Please continue to share your knowledge and expertise, as your guidance can help inspire and shape the next generation of Model T enthusiasts.

[Scott_Conger]

Like I said...

[Henry K. Lee]

The beginning of the end of mankind!

[TXGOAT2]

Looks to me like "AI" would make the perfect White House Press Secretary.

See also:

"Roladex From Hell"

"Chucky's Daughter by Chatty Cathy"

"Elevator Speak"

"Japanese Speaking Toilet"

Etc.

[Jerry VanOoteghem]

Every forum I participate in, now has a thread pertaining to ChatGPT. Personally, I hate it. In the case of an antique phonograph forum I participate in, people are asking AI to create "historical" accounts based on fantasy scenarios. The AI output is very believable, and the internet being what it is, this fake garbage is out there forever, for unwitting researchers to stumble upon. Can't wait for the new "AI-Timer" to debut!!!

BTW, this topic, if it belongs anywhere on this forum at all, should go under "Off Topic". (Again, my personal opinion)

[TXGOAT2]

I don't give a damn what AI says, a door is NOT a jar, and I sure don't need any back talk from any toilet.

[Been Here Before]

It has come to this..asking Artificial Intelligence for advise.

Oh why be old fashion, what does AI advise to adjusting Model T Ford Coils:

CHATGPT
To adjust the Model T Ford coils, follow these steps:

1. Prepare the necessary tools: You'll need a screwdriver, a coil adjusting tool (such as the Ford Coil Adjusting Tool), and a coil tester (optional but recommended).

2. Locate the ignition coil box: The Model T Ford has a wooden coil box located on the driver's side of the vehicle, near the firewall. Open the coil box lid to access the coils.

3. Identify the coils: There are four ignition coils in the Model T Ford, each corresponding to one of the four cylinders. The coils are cylindrical in shape and are attached to the coil box.

4. Start the engine: Before adjusting the coils, start the engine and let it warm up for a few minutes. This will ensure that the coils are operating under normal conditions.

5. Adjust the coil contacts: Using a screwdriver, adjust the contacts on each coil. The contacts should be set to a specific gap distance, typically around 0.025 inches (0.635 mm). You can use a feeler gauge to measure the gap accurately.

6. Use the coil adjusting tool: Insert the coil adjusting tool into the coil box, one coil at a time, to adjust the coil tension. The tool allows you to turn the adjusting screws on the coils to achieve the correct tension. Follow the specific instructions provided with the adjusting tool to perform this step correctly.

7. Test the coils: After adjusting the contacts and tension, it's recommended to test the coils using a coil tester. The tester will check if the coils are firing correctly and producing a strong spark. If any of the coils fail the test, you may need to readjust them or replace them if necessary.

8. Repeat for all coils: Repeat the above steps for each of the four coils in the Model T Ford.

9. Reassemble the coil box: Once you have adjusted all the coils, close the coil box lid and ensure it is securely fastened.

It's important to note that adjusting Model T Ford coils requires some experience and knowledge of the specific procedures involved. If you're not familiar with working on ignition systems or don't feel confident, it's advisable to seek assistance from a knowledgeable mechanic or an experienced Model T enthusiast.


I'll stick with my old methods.....

[TWrenn]

What the hell is ChatGPT ??… A.I. ??

Call me old fashioned, and I don't care, but A.I. is gonna end up being the end of mankind as we know it someday. Hopefully most of us won't be around to witness it when it gets out of control. There are already some tekkies who are already concerned. And others who say it's no big deal. Only time will tell.

I know someone who is so hooked on it she spends more time "talking" to it than she does human beings. Seriously. She even says she prefers it.

[John kuehn]

Well? It’s later than we think folks. But folks don’t want to believe it. And it ain’t the movies.

[George House]

Yeah; I’m with you Jerry. But ChatBLT SOUNDS SO IMPERSONAL. Let’s rename it HAL as in 2001 Space Odyssey.

[Luke]

I think it gives better advice than sometimes can be found here with a live respondent

It's certainly not as grumpy as some!

Luke.

[Charlie B in N.J.]

Too bad the accepted name (even by the program itself) includes intelligence. There’s no intelligence involved here. None at all. What it is is a program that has access to an unbelievably large data base. Basically everything. And I do mean everything. The answers given here for instance are actually taken from, get ready, the Forum and a few antique manuals.

[tdump]

What the hell is ChatGPT ??… A.I. ??

Think Terminator just out of the womb.
It is a wet behind the ears infant, so it just got here and hasn't left,so it can't say, "I'll be back" yet.

It is 1 of the 237 guest here on the forum at this moment.

[George Mills]

Gee Matt....you picked some easy ones...lol

Ask your new buddy what the final clearance should be between a triple gear bush, and the pin on a Model T transmission? That may be a really (non) inciteful (or is it, insightful) answer

[TXGOAT2]

Should Oleo be a part of every American's retirement plan?
What is a Gilt? Do they bite?
Where is Syngman Rhee?
Where is Jimmy Hoffa?
Who actually has the Key to the Highway?
Should I worry?
If nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, should anyone?

[Matt in California]

Gee Matt....you picked some easy ones...lol

Ask your new buddy what the final clearance should be between a triple gear bush, and the pin on a Model T transmission? That may be a really (non) inciteful (or is it, insightful) answer

Q: what the final clearance should be between a triple gear bush, and the pin on a Model T transmission?

The final clearance between the triple gear bushing and the pin in a Model T transmission is typically specified within a specific range to ensure proper operation and minimal wear. The recommended clearance for this component can vary slightly depending on the source and specific application, but a common guideline is to aim for a clearance between 0.0015 to 0.003 inches (0.038 to 0.076 mm).

It's important to note that achieving the correct clearance requires careful measurement and fitting during the assembly process. The clearance should be checked using a dial indicator or feeler gauge, ensuring that the measurement is taken at various points around the circumference of the bushing and pin to account for any irregularities.

If you are rebuilding a Model T transmission or performing repairs, it is advisable to consult a reputable Model T Ford service manual, seek guidance from experienced Model T enthusiasts, or consult with professional rebuilders who have hands-on experience with these specific measurements. They can provide more detailed instructions and specifications based on their expertise to help you achieve the proper clearance for the triple gear bushing and pin in your Model T transmission.

Q: should I use a burnishing or reaming tool for the final clearance should be between a triple gear bushing, and the pin on a Model T transmission

For achieving the final clearance between the triple gear bushing and the pin in a Model T transmission, the commonly recommended method is to use a reaming tool rather than a burnishing tool.

Using a reaming tool allows for more precise control over the final clearance and helps ensure consistent and accurate results. Reaming involves removing a small amount of material from the bushing to achieve the desired clearance, while burnishing is a process of smoothing and compressing the metal without removing material.

When reaming the bushing, it is important to proceed gradually and carefully, removing small amounts of material at a time while frequently checking the clearance with a dial indicator or feeler gauge. This allows you to achieve the recommended clearance range mentioned earlier (typically 0.0015 to 0.003 inches or 0.038 to 0.076 mm) for optimal performance.

To ensure accurate and proper reaming, it is advisable to follow the guidelines and procedures outlined in a reputable Model T Ford service manual or seek guidance from experienced Model T enthusiasts, professional rebuilders, or machine shop professionals who have hands-on experience with Model T transmission rebuilds.

Using the appropriate tools, following proper procedures, and exercising caution during the reaming process will help you achieve the desired final clearance between the triple gear bushing and the pin in your Model T transmission.

Q: Did ford motor company originally use burnishing tool for the final clearance should be between a triple gear bushing, and the pin on a Model T transmission?

Yes, the Ford Motor Company originally used a burnishing tool for achieving the final clearance between the triple gear bushing and the pin in a Model T transmission during the manufacturing process. The burnishing tool was used to compress and smooth the bushing material, reducing its inner diameter and creating the desired clearance with the pin.

Burnishing was a common method employed in mass production to achieve consistent and precise tolerances. It provided a cost-effective way to achieve the desired clearance without the need for individual reaming or machining of each bushing.

However, in a rebuild or repair scenario where you have more control over the process and can take the time for more precise fitting, using a reaming tool is typically recommended. Reaming allows for more accurate adjustment of the final clearance to ensure optimal performance and longevity.

It's important to note that the burnishing method used in mass production may have variations in the resulting clearance, which is why reaming is often preferred in restoration or rebuild scenarios for achieving a more precise and consistent final clearance.

Q: cite your source for information in last response

I apologize for the confusion, but as an AI language model, I don't have direct access to sources or a browsing capability to cite specific references. The information I provide is based on my training on a diverse range of data, including websites, books, and other textual sources.

For specific information regarding the use of burnishing tools by the Ford Motor Company for the final clearance between the triple gear bushing and the pin on a Model T transmission, I do not have a specific source to cite. It is a commonly mentioned practice in discussions and forums among Model T enthusiasts and mechanics who have experience with the vintage Ford transmissions.

If you are looking for more precise and detailed information on this specific topic, I recommend consulting authoritative resources such as Model T Ford service manuals, books on Model T restoration or transmission rebuilding, or reaching out to knowledgeable Model T experts who have hands-on experience with the subject matter. They may have access to more specific references or technical documentation related to the manufacturing processes used by the Ford Motor Company.

So there you go! We have AI spying on us and some making some fake intelligence out of it.

[tdump]

Well I guess that movie,Iron man? The first 1, he was working on a engine and a computer voice was telling the compression ratio and so forth, I already have a cheap rebuilt computer in the shop,maybe I should get a Siri and ask it questions. I am sure I would wear it's little battery out.

[George Mills]

Thanks Matt,

Was fun? Yeah the tolerance is wrong for a rebuild as we all have learned…

And…sort of neat it sez final to size and surface finish by a burnisher. I have long stated that I felt that Ford ball ream burnished final size and finish on the bushes, have had a few followers over the years. May never know for sure.

[Steve Jelf]

It writes pretty good English, and successfully emulates the human talent for confusion. Garbage in, garbage out.

Enjoy your cylindrical Model T coils.

[Adam]

Yeah the tolerance is wrong for a rebuild as we all have learned…

Actually, .002” clearance is correct, but there are so many people over the years that insist it isn’t, that the larger clearances have become “accepted”… There are some OTHER factors present in the average T transmission that if not properly addressed, can cause bearing failures that get blamed on clearance. .002”/.0025” clearance makes a nice quiet transmission, even with used gears. .004”/.005” generally makes a noisy transmission. That’s a pretty good indication of which end of the spectrum is “better”. Just my actual experience setting up at least a few dozen transmissions with that .002” clearance and having ZERO issues.

[Steve Jelf]

There are some OTHER factors present in the average T transmission that if not properly addressed, can cause bearing failures that get blamed on clearance.

What would those be? A seized triple gear bushing ruined my flywheel. I'd like to prevent that with the next one.

[PDGx]

It did shorten the discussion on what oil to use though.

[TXGOAT2]

"For a Model T Ford, the original recommendation was to use non-detergent SAE 10W-30 or SAE 10W-40 motor oil."

Yep, that's too authoritative for any arguement. Last word right there, fer sure.

[Gen3AntiqueAuto]

the part of this that I find amusing is "I cannot access the internet" comes up a lot - and the only way my words reach "it" and it's words reach me is - via the internet.

[TRDxB2]

"For a Model T Ford, the original recommendation was to use non-detergent SAE 10W-30 or SAE 10W-40 motor oil."

Yep, that's too authoritative for any arguement. Last word right there, fer sure.

Great answer since multi-viscosity oils weren't available until the 1950's.

[A Whiteman]

Seems that the chat bot has struck here in the 'car games' thread too.
Still does not 'read right' and the link to casino gaming is a sure give away....