Steve Jelf in bad accident

[havnfun]

Thanks to everyone giving update on Steve, I’m 1,800 miles away or thereabouts.

I suffered a head injury in 1986, 7 days in the hospital and brain surgery when I arrived on day one. Spent one or two nights in ICU. It took me 24 months to be able to return to the working world, and during those 24 months, I spent 18 months going through on the job training learning computer programming. Now, I was only 37 when injured and didn’t get back behind the wheel of a modern car for 6 months. It takes lots of time, the things we all take for granted, can become unbelievable task after a head injury. Walking was very difficult for me, carrying a glass and walking at the same time, would get me to my short destination, glass usually dropped along my travels without my knowledge.

Steve, keep you can do attitude and take baby steps, recovery takes time.

[Dennis_Brown]

Praying for Steve,s recovery.
This may be premature and out of place but it was mentioned that Steve new of a 15 roadster project . Any chance that another member knows about it and that it could be obtained and members and friends could start putting it together for Steve using salvageable parts from Steve's roadster and donated parts from members to replace parts that are needed.
I have never met Steve but have followed his trips. I do not know who lives close to him but I do know he has lots of friends.

[WayneJ]

I really believe that you need to wait until Steve is able to make his wishes known.

[Terry_007]

I'll certainly miss visiting with him at Hershey this year. It just doesn't seem like that kind of trip is in the cards for him this year. He was always picking up an occasional spark plug and was eager to share his discoveries. He had a keen eye and was persistent in his searching the swap meet for goodies. A really great guy. I wish him speedy recovery and want him to know there is always a seat available at my spot to rest and talk. Looking forward to next year when he will be able to return.
Terry

[George Hand]

Another reason to wait before any Restoration Efforts take place on Steves behalf would keep the wreckage secure & undercover until the Insurance Companys have settled. Dallas I am sure Steve is appreciative of what you have done for him, if you have paid the Tow Bill do not forget you should of keep track of the number of days of indoor storage until a settlement is made. There should be a reimbursement to you for that. Steve would need OK any settlement, just remember who the Insurance Companys work for, themselves!

[John Codman]

I really believe that you need to wait until Steve is able to make his wishes known.

I agree with the above.

[Norman Kling]

Concerning the insurance companies. I know of a person in the San Diego area who had a bad accident with his T. Not as bad as Steve's but some body damage and axle damage. Perhaps even frame bent. The insurance company would not accept local work, but needed an estimate from a professional before they would pay. In Steve's case it might be considered Totaled and in that case would need an estimate of the value of the car before the accident. So I would recommend that nothing be done to Steve's car until the insurance is settled. If totaled, he might be able to pay for salvage value and then he or other club members could use as many parts as they can. But that needs to wait until the settlement.
Norm

[John kuehn]

I agree with the comments that any thoughts for getting Steve another T ought to wait to see what happens with any insurance claims that will arise out of the accident. This is going to be a long recovery process for him besides driving another T. We all want the best for Steve there is no doubt.

[ModelT46]

Steve is not able at this time to manage his affairs. If this remains, usually a close family member will do so, with court approval. If a family member does not take this role and Steve can not manage his affairs, the court will appoint someone. Has anything been done so far?

[Rich Eagle]

It's hard to come to the forum without thinking about Steve. We all want what's best for him even though we don't know what that is. Many nice ideas about him and his cars are wonderful but may not be feasible or what he will want. It's best not to get too far ahead of ourselves.
Keep the good thoughts and prayers coming. Time will tell what is right.
Rich

Here's Shorty.

[Joe Reid]

Excellent point Rich. I also have Hagerty insurance and it is agreed upon value, at least mine is, so if the car is totaled he would receive that value. Hagerty does keep track of the market and do recommend increasing your valuation periodically. We are all praying Steve will pull through and be able to live a normal life. These need to be his or his family’s decisions.

[1925 Touring]

I really hope this is not true, but there is a possibility that Steve may never be capable to drive a Model T again, it is simply too soon to tell. After reading about some of the other recovery times, its going to be a long time before he has the capacity to drive again, be that a modern car or a Model T.
I really hope that he can drive again, knowing how much he enjoys the Model T's.

[tdump]

Everything takes time with a head injury.
I would have thought the insurance company would already have looked the car over by now,gosh it's been plenty long enough.

[Jerry VanOoteghem]

It's hard to come to the forum without thinking about Steve. We all want what's best for him even though we don't know what that is. Many nice ideas about him and his cars are wonderful but may not be feasible or what he will want. It's best not to get too far ahead of ourselves.
Keep the good thoughts and prayers coming. Time will tell what is right.
Rich

Here's Shorty.
Shorty.jpg

As always, the voice of calm and reason.

[John Codman]

Everything takes time with a head injury.
I would have thought the insurance company would already have looked the car over by now,gosh it's been plenty long enough.

Someone has to notify Hagerty of the loss before they will assess the damage.

[Susanne]

And a lot of that is going to depend on what Steve decides he wants to do once he's recovered more. The other important thing is to NOT sell him short - it's not time for "the family to make decisions for him" - that time will be decided NOT by us, but by him and his family (but mostly him)... Remember he's been through hell, it's going to take more than a few weeks for him to get anything back to normal (which, being the crotchety old geezer we all know and love, will probably be sooner than the docs will give him credit for). The other thing to remember is with a catastrophic head injury like what he's been through, he's still sorting out upstairs (consciously or otherwise) just what the hell happened, where he is, etc. and that will continue for quite a while... Hell, he may not remember details for months or even years.

Something else - T's were the first cars that were adaptable to people with various mobility issues, everything from levers to replace pedals, accelerators and brake adaptations, even steering issues can be overcome. Add to that, except for the excellent brakes ( ) they are an easy and predictable car to drive (far moreso than a lot of modern iron), and (this is just me) I would probably feel more comfortable driving a T coming off something like this than driving, say, a boat of a Mercedes or Cadillac or Packard... Especially if I've been driving them for thousands of miles a year.

One thing he WILL need to make his decision on what comes next - whether to rebuild the car, get a parts car and transplant parts, get a different car, etc - is an accurate and honest assessment of what the actual damage to the car is. He knows T's well enough (probably better than most of us, truth be told) to know what bringing the car back or parting it out or whatever, but right now, whie everyone is sitting on their hands and waiting, the people who ahave his car can start piecing together a damage and pick list of everything that is damages on the car. He'll know (eventually) what repairs will take once he knows the magnitude of the damage, and the direcction he wants to take this.

And once he does decide,if he decides to stick with these beloved cars, and the insane people who drive them ( ) I would expect he would appreciate help getting back on the road.

Just, please, don't give up on him. Some people sound all doom and gloom... and even though he may be a year or 2 senior to some of us, and went through a hell of a wreck, and he's experiencing symptoms NORMAL for someone who went through what he did at ANY age, I guarantee you he's not ready to cash in or give up. After all (and I'm speaking from my own experience here) when you can proudly wear the label "crotchety" you're too experienced or tough to just up and give up. In fact, sometimes pulling through this can give you a renewed lease on life. Serious ham hocks and baked beans!!!

[Charlie B in N.J.]

I don’t think it’s wise to jump into his private affairs. If and when a relative comes forward any action like notifying anyone regarding health or insurance is up to them.

[CudaMan]

Today's update from Steve's Facebook page:

Selah Wayseer is with Steve Jelf.
🛞🛞🛞🛞🛞🛞🛞 Update time for Steve Jelf 🛞🛞🛞🛞🛞🛞🛞

This is a dual request for healing prayer/energy.
Steve's been a bit of a sleepyhead today. Not very engaging and very little responding to commands. Vitals are still stable. PT and occupational therapy's been in for limb manipulation and evaluation. No acts of agitation, pretty mellow guy today.
Now my brother (and Model T Buddy of most of you out there), George, had contracted COVID at the care center he's at. For now, he's just really knackered with flu-like symptoms. We want to make sure it stays this mild. ❤
Thank you all for your continued support.

[modeltspaz]

Selyah and "CudaMan",
I want you to know that when it comes to prayer/healing energy, we're doing our part here in So. Cal.
My wife and I are members of the Whittier Elks Lodge. At the last membership meeting on Wednesday, I stood up during the portion of the meeting that called for Sickness and Distress to announce the recent mis fortune of Steve. I gave them the profile of Steve to the group. When I announced what happened, there was an audible gasp from the audience. There were over 100 people in attendance.
I told them that there has been a Gofundme account established and if they needed further information regarding the account to see me after the meeting.
I did the same at last night's monthly meeting of the Long Beach Model T Club. There were several there that knew of the incident, there were several that didn't.
There are now many people here in the Southland that have never met Steve but are definitely aware and pulling for him.
Hang in there, my friend. We need you back mashing those pedals!

[George Hand]

Most of us I would expect underinsure our Cars for Replacement Value, if proven the other party was at fault, WHEN ABLE he may want to find out what the other insurance company will pay. Depending on insurance laws in the state where the accident occurred may steer that outcome. For sure Steve needs to get Fixed First.

[Wayne Sheldon]

Sleep well Steve. We are thinking of you all hours, day and night. We want you well enough soon so you can begin to enjoy your days again.

[WayneJ]

Selah:
Best wishes on your brother George's recovery from covid. Even a mild case is no fun.

[MWalker]

Hasn't anyone been by to visit Steve today?

[CudaMan]

Today's update from Steve's Facebook page:

Selah Wayseer is with Steve Jelf.

🛞🛞🛞🛞🛞🛞🛞🛞 Update on Steve Jelf 🛞🛞🛞🛞🛞🛞🛞🛞
The nurse I spoke to, today, was not very familiar with Steve. All she could tell me is that he's still sleeping a lot and moaned quite a bit when they turned him and bathed him.
He's had no visitors so far today. This is troubling. He needs family, now.
C'mon, Steve! I know you're in there. Please-please-please come out of this!

[Dallas Landers]

Brent or I could not go today. Tomorrow I will go see him. Brent said his Brother maybe on his way here.

[ThreePedalTapDancer]

Article on Steve’s accident

https://www.ctnewsonline.com/news/artic ... 6fdbd.html

[CudaMan]

Good article, sticks to the facts and includes a link to his GoFundMe page.

[VinTin23]

I really believe that you need to wait until Steve is able to make his wishes known.

Absolutely!!!

[Dallas Landers]

Steve is a little better today. He did eat a little this morning. He didnt talk but responded to me when I talked to him. The nurse said his brother Don is coming on the 25th.
I told him Shorty is waiting to see him. Tried to tell him other names he would recognize and he did. No talking but an "uh huh"
They came and done a proceedure with his feeding tube that he was not happy about and put up a good fight about it. Thats good to see from my view.

Its very hard to see our friend in this condition but I can see alot of improvement but painfullly slow. He seems to be resting and healing as fast as one can at his age.

[ThreePedalTapDancer]

Doctors often refer to the Ranchos Los Amigos Scale of stages of recovery from a brain injury. It’s interesting to see that there are ways to assist during each stage by specifically tailored interaction. A person can go through all, or some of the stages during recovery and the time is different for each person and injury. Steve’s doctor understands the roadmap to recovery specifically for Steve’s type of injury, but it’s nice to understand his struggle from a clinical perspective.

https://www.matrixneurological.org/info ... hos-scale/

[modeltspaz]

As I sit here typing this, I am about 5 miles as the crow flies from the Rancho Los Amigos rehabilitation center.

Started in 1888 as the Los Angeles County Poor Farm. The name was changed in the 1920s by the then head of the facility, Dr. Harriman. He said that the name was undignified and the new name was more welcoming. Over the years, the facility housed several congressional medal of honor recipients who found themselves down and out.

At the close of WW II, the facility became the nation's polio treatment center as the cases of polio increased every year. With the advent of the Salk and the Lilly vaccines, polio cases began to decline however, there were polio patients living in iron lungs at the facility as late as the 1980s.

The county decided to abandon the south campus (south of Imperial Highway) and maintain the newer section to the north and transform it into the nation's spinal and brain injury treatment and rehabilitation center as it exists today.

[Art M]

Three pedal tap,
Thanks for posting the Rancho information on brain injuries.

[Dallas Landers]

Brent reported that Steve is about the same as my report yesterday. Thanks to Brent for checking in on Steve. Through the week is hard for me because of work and an hour drive each way. Brent really has stepped up.

[Wayne Sheldon]

Thank you to you Dallas and to Brent. I do want to see an update often. Not being close enough to people we consider as friends in trouble is often difficult.

[Burger in Spokane]

I have found Mr. Jelf to be an inspiration ever since I came in to
this hobby. His old school down-to-earth outlook on life runs parallel
to mine and I always looked forward to reading his posts. Steve, I
wish you a full and reasonably rapid recovery. This world needs more
old guys in overalls and straw hats out there walkin' the walk. Thanks
for all you bring to this hobby.

[Wayne Sheldon]

Sleep well Steve.

[ModelTGal]

I’m horrified by news of this accident - but teary eyed at the loving and supportive responses from everyone.

If we could somehow get Shorty to him, I would bet that would warm his heart. Any chance of that happening?

Steve - we are all rooting for you!! Get better soon!!

Jennifer

[TXGOAT2]

I'd think that at least some video of the dogs and home would be welcome.

[Dallas Landers]

Brent stopped to see Steve today. Not much response from Steve to Brent or the nurses today. Rollercoaster recovery for sure. I going to try and go see him tomorrow.

[DHort]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=36 ... 2727842432

Not much change today. Hopefully he is just taking a day off.

[Kaiser]

Recovering from head injuries is a three steps forward, one step back kind of process, we're all thinking about him.
Let's keep our fingers crossed.

[tdump]

Sadly I know from personal experience. There are going to be good days and bad days for a long time yet.
Main thing is to be patient.
1 thing I will mention and try to keep it short.
Try to address him as you would if he were in great health. Don't talk to him like a baby.
I know that sounds weird but a lot of times people will approach a person with a head injury and treat them like they are still in diapers. A injured brain is trapped in the head and it's biggest issue is to communicate it's thoughts to the outside world.
The brain hears,and thinks but when it try's to make the vocal cord work or the hand move ,it has issues. this frustrates the brain and the body reacts by making jerking motions and grumbling-cussing sounds,not trying to be mean towards anyone,the brain is frustrated, so don't get mad at Steve if he snaps a quick answer.It may just be the brain can't come up with a sensible answer in a reasonable time and just blurts out the first thing it can . In my case for example,someone would say, "Hey hows the meatloaf?" and I would try to answer and couldn't speak and I would make a face or something subconsciously and they would think I was being a jack ass. I and my brain,were frustrated that I couldn't say the right words, not frustrated at them .

Hope that rambling made sense.

[tmodeldriver]

Perfect sense, Mack. Thank you. Bob

[Wayne Sheldon]

I want to "Thank You" Mack Cole for your personal insights! I remember several years ago when you frankly discussed your "accident" and the difficulties you had recovering. I have a great deal of respect for you and your perseverance in the face of adversity.
It is still too soon to know, but hopefully, Steve Jelf can more or less fully recover fairly quickly so that he may continue to truly enjoy his years left ahead.

[Steve Jelf]

That was the perfect picture to end the first weeks of the session, because that's how I was for awhile — completely out of it. As time goes on, little bits of the past three months become clear or remembered at all. Eventually I may work out a pretty good timeline of what happened when. Of course, I have no recollection of the wreck itself, or exactly where it happened. From my point of view, I was driving up a highway in Indiana and suddenly woke up in a Lutheran hospital. More recently I spent several minutes in front of a mirror marveling at the skill of the doctors who pieced me back together. Without them, I would have an eyeball hanging down like the lead character in a bad horror movie. I could show you some traces that point to what they had to do, but it has turned out with me looking not much scarier than I did before.

It's about time for me to get some exercise and hit the sack, so I'll continue the story later.

[tdump]

Steve,it is good to see you back on the forum.
Rest and take your time, recovery is slow,and things may be different,but it will get MUCH better with time.

[Arnie]

Steve:

It is so good to see you back on the MTFCA forum. As one of my friends says "take it slow and easy" and we pray for your continued improvement.

Arnie

[Norman Kling]

It's good to see you post again. Looking forward to your visit to our National Tour in the back country of San Diego next June. If you don't have a car with you, you are welcome to ride with me.
Norm

[Kaiser]

Good to have you back amongst us Steve !

[Jerry VanOoteghem]

So great to have you back with us on the forum Steve!

[A Whiteman]

Welcome back Steve

[Moxie26]

Welcome Back Steve !!!!

[Bryant]

Hey welcome back, glad you made it!
Bryant

[Herb Iffrig]

Welcome back. I look forward to your contributions to the forum.

[PeterN]

Great to see you back Steve!

[Wayne Sheldon]

So wonderful to see you posting again!

The "Shadow" knows!!

[RajoRacer]

Glad to have you back Buddy !!!

How's about we lose the "accident" thread & start an "I'm Back" thread ?????

[MKossor]

Good to have you back on the forum Steve and very good to read things continue to improve.

[Sean Butler]

Great to have you back, Steve! More importantly, we're all glad to know you're on the road to recovery. Sometimes low pedal, sometimes high, but, always forward.

[Wayne Sheldon]

Glad to have you back Buddy !!!

How's about we lose the "accident" thread & start an "I'm Back" thread ?????

I second that!

[Steve Jelf]

Today Robert took me down to the local Verizon store and I bought a new phone to be delivered early next week.
The more I read about my wreck, the more I realize that without Indiana's Lutheran Health Network and Chicago's Shirley Ryan Center I wouldn't be here.
A picture near the top of this page explains part of my increasing eagerness to get home. I left Shorty in charge, and she takes the assignment seriously. My cousin Zack, who lives about a mile away, stops at the farm occasionally to check on the place. He has offered to take Shorty for a ride a couple of times, and she wouldn't get in his truck. She has a sacred trust from her human, and she's not going anywhere until it's with me.
Something I have noticed, a combination of age and events, I suppose, is that my emotions are closer to the surface than before. Both laughter and tears are ready when the occasion calls for either. Right now, writing about Shorty, I long to be back at the farm, holding that sweet girl, and it's getting harder to see what I'm doing.

More later.

[Duey_C]

Welcome back sir! Great to read your posts.

[Jmeredith]

Hang in there you will be back there before ya know it!! Welcome back…

[John Codman]

Great to hear from you, Steve.

[Novice]

What is the Hospital mailing address for Steve. Would like to send Him a Card.

[CudaMan]

As posted on his Facebook page:

Weiser Care of Cascadia
331 East Park St
Weiser, ID 83672
Attn: Steve Jelf

[Eck]

Good to see you back on here again. We have never met but I follow your help as I have a 26 Roadster pickup and your information is very helpful. Hope to cross paths with you some time or another.

[Steve Jelf]

I still don't remember the incident, and probably never will. When I broke my fall by hitting the pavement with my head, it seems that part of my memory was knocked out of me. Now, a year later, I recall some of my series of hospitals and rehab centers, and I could probably blather at length with what I do remember. Apparently I was not always an ideal patient, but I think I was reasonably reasonable once I got some of my wits back. And how am I a year later? Amazed and grateful for how much I've recovered, and disappointed and annoyed by how much I haven't. Currently I'm back at home in Kansas, on the old family place. It's just Shorty and my "new" volunteer dog Jack, and me. I have cousins a mile away if I have something worth bothering them, which I try to avoid. They have plenty to do other than babysitting me. Plusses: Nothing hurts; I'm able to walk without a cane on a flat, level surface; I am able to drive to town for groceries, pills, and other errands; I can go to bed, get up, and feed myself. Minuses: I'm weak. That may have more to do with age than my TBI; I'm less steady, often feeling that I'm losing my balance; I'm clumsy. When I get mad at being so feeble and clumsy, and unable to do so much that I used to do, I have to remind myself how well off I am, in better luck than much of humanity. Looking back at previous posts over the past year reminds me that I am the luckiest man in the world.

[modeltspaz]

John,

Welcome to the MTFCA website forum where all things Model "T" related are discussed and shared. I hope you find the forum informational and interesting. We all do.

As a note to your post above, Mr. Jelf has recovered from his horrific accident caused by an inattentive driver.

The post that you just commented on (the latest before yours) was posted nearly a year ago. It's amazing what happens in nearly 12 months.

Mike.

[ModelTWoods]

AGAIN ? A second accident ?

[Jerry VanOoteghem]

AGAIN ? A second accident ?

No. Check out the posting dates.

[Wayne Sheldon]

Welcome John Kashmire to the best forum for model Ts!
However, you did give a few of us a quick scare seeing this thread pop up again.
One of the best things about model Ts is the many fine people that enjoy them. And Steve Jelf is one of the finest of all. So many of us are very grateful for his recovery and continued participation in this forum.

[TMiller6]

I would hope Mr. Kashmire could tell us more about his 1927 Model T. What body style? A photo?

He has not shared any details or asked any T related questions. His only other post talks about a ‘57 Chevrolet and includes a link to a transmission website that lists John Doe as a CEO and Jane Smith as an employee. The contact number on the website is (555)123-4567. I remain skeptical.

[tdump]

I still don't remember the incident, and probably never will. When I broke my fall by hitting the pavement with my head, it seems that part of my memory was knocked out of me. Now, a year later, I recall some of my series of hospitals and rehab centers, and I could probably blather at length with what I do remember. Apparently I was not always an ideal patient, but I think I was reasonably reasonable once I got some of my wits back. And how am I a year later? Amazed and grateful for how much I've recovered, and disappointed and annoyed by how much I haven't. Currently I'm back at home in Kansas, on the old family place. It's just Shorty and my "new" volunteer dog Jack, and me. I have cousins a mile away if I have something worth bothering them, which I try to avoid. They have plenty to do other than babysitting me. Plusses: Nothing hurts; I'm able to walk without a cane on a flat, level surface; I am able to drive to town for groceries, pills, and other errands; I can go to bed, get up, and feed myself. Minuses: I'm weak. That may have more to do with age than my TBI; I'm less steady, often feeling that I'm losing my balance; I'm clumsy. When I get mad at being so feeble and clumsy, and unable to do so much that I used to do, I have to remind myself how well off I am, in better luck than much of humanity. Looking back at previous posts over the past year reminds me that I am the luckiest man in the world.

Steve, come october 16th, it will be 19 years since my accident that resulted in TBI and other issues. I was much younger, and now 57 years old. I still have the feeling of loosing my balance at times. the neurologist told me it is because the brain and the limbs have "sensors" for lack of better word so the brain can maintain level. subconsciously our bodys move minute amounts to compensate for body movement to keep the brain level.when the brain can't receive word of location, the body tends to wobble. I still carry a cane if I feel like i will need it.
You will find things 5-10 years from now to be affected that you didn't know until then. For example , I could not drive a nail with a hammer properly before the accident, I can now just as a normal person. I can now do alot of things with my left hand better than my right, Tbi is a lifelong adventure, but it beats the other trip we coulda took!

[Wayne Sheldon]

I would hope Mr. Kashmire could tell us more about his 1927 Model T. What body style? A photo?

He has not shared any details or asked any T related questions. His only other post talks about a ‘57 Chevrolet and includes a link to a transmission website that lists John Doe as a CEO and Jane Smith as an employee. The contact number on the website is (555)123-4567. I remain skeptical.

All too often these days, there is a lot of room for doubt almost everywhere. However, when "new people" present themselves on forums such as this one, I usually "try" to give the "people" the benefit of the doubt.

However, that website and phone number look about as fake as any I have ever seen! Maybe it is his way of making a joke on introduction?
The "(555)" area code is the long famous phone companies local prefix to phone company administration everywhere in the USA. In the early 1960s, Hollywood stopped using fictitious phone numbers with real prefix numbers because crazy viewers would hear a phone number on a tv show and call it to see who answered. The phone company approved of the use of "555" for fictional numbers and its employees knew how to handle such nuisance calls quickly. "555"is a restricted combination for area codes and prefixes in phone numbers. The 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 that follows is also highly unlikely.

I hope it is a real person. I hope he does in fact have a 1927 model T. And I hope he enjoys it many wonderful years! In the meantime, I won't be sitting in the corner turning blue.

[ModelTWoods]

OLD POST ? ? ? This seems to be an old post. Why is it coming back into "play", now at this time. Steve hasn't had another wreck.

[Wayne Sheldon]

Terry W, I for one am trying very hard to not be mean and nasty. Which is getting more difficult every day!
I really do not want to say "because some clueless idiot cruising the internet decided to introduce themselves by bringing up a totally inappropriate past thread and creating a fake identity". I don't want to say that because there is a slim chance it might be a genuine person that actually has a model T but simply never learned good manners in this modern age where most people bury their faces and souls in the internet.
We don't want to be mean and scare away potentially decent people with a model T.
Although, I imagine a whole lot of us had a couple seconds of shock and worry until realizing it was just the old thread bumped up for no good reason.

[ModelTWoods]

Wayne, I hope I'm not the person that you think might be "mean and nasty" toward Steve. Steve and I are friends, I have gone to supper with him at Chickasha. I am good friends with George Clipner, who is also a good friend of both Steve and me. Ever since Steve's accident, i have been very concerned about his condition, especially when things were "touch and go", and I'm so glad he has made it through it although he may have restrictions on his activities for the rest of his life. I was (and am) surprised that this post popped up near the top of the Forum so long after Steve's accident.

[Wayne Sheldon]

Terry W, I would never suspect you of being mean to anyone, certainly not to Steve.
My comments were directed to my earlier avoidance of being mean to the new person (another John K) that brought up this old thread.

If John Kashmire is a real person with a real model T? I hope he is not offended by all this, and will properly introduce himself and share pictures of his car. We all had to start somewhere.

[Charlie B in N.J.]

Who dug this up? I thought he got whacked again.

[ModelTWoods]

Who dug this up? I thought he got whacked again.

Charlie, I wondered the same question when this OLD post popped up at the top of the Discussion Forum. I knew, for certain, that Steve hadn't been in another accident and was at home working on trying to regain the abilities he had before the accident. Maybe the person who revived this OLD post is a new Forum user who didn't know about Steve's accident and was shocked to read all the reports about it. I just don't know, but I think it is a little irresponsible to repost an old post like this and bring the subject up, again. I hope we see this original post, fade back into the bottom of this Forum.

[Steve Jelf]

On the other hand, this has given me a chance to read some posts I've never seen, or may not remember. It also reminds me of how lucky I am.

[ModelTWoods]

Steve, Probably the only man in the United States, who is luckier than you is the man who took a bullet through his ear, less than a quarter inch from his skull and brain.

[25tfire]

Steve please get better, you have a lot of people praying for you and a speedy recovery. Jim in Colorado

[Mark Gregush]

Maybe Jeff or Chris could lock this post, so it doesn't get brought back up again and scare us.

[Jerry VanOoteghem]

Maybe Jeff or Chris could lock this post, so it doesn't get brought back up again and scare us.

Yes, please!!!

[speedytinc]

More havic from a AI bot?
Now I see it added a link to a UK insurance co.