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Lapping brass petcocks

Post by JBog » Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:11 pm

Using the yellow compound, how much and how hard do you need to lap these leaky brass petcocks?

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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by Humblej » Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:13 pm

I have never been successful lapping the valves, I have had better results with aircraft fuel valve lube.


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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by speedytinc » Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:25 pm

Use tooth paste. Use enough with water to lube. Allow the compound to work. Forcing will not get the job done.
Really bad petcocks can be started with a fine lapping compound. Its real easy to go to far & end up with scrap brass.
Toothpaste & patience has worked best for me.


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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by RGould1910 » Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:42 pm

My experience has mirrored Jeff's above. Latest venture using the valve lube sold by Langs did the trick on a brass fuel shut off that continued to leak after lapping with yellow Timesaver. It's not cheap but it works!
I agree it's easy to lap too aggressively and ruin the piece. Been there, done that.


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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by Pat Branigan Wisc » Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:20 pm

Fuely lube has been my choice. Not much luck with lapping but got them closer before using fuely lube. A bar of soap works too if you are frugal.

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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by JBog » Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:56 pm

How do you use a lube to stop the leaks? Wouldn’t it dissolve eventually?


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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by Marc Roberts » Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:28 pm

It's really gooey and doesn't dissolve easily.


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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by Pat Branigan Wisc » Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:41 pm

I used EZ turn fuel lube from Spruce aviation long before the antique auto supplier's had offered it. It is used in the aviation industry for fuel valves with high octane. It's been working for years on my valves and I use it on some gaskets as it's easy to remove them. Before that I had tried ever pipe sealant I could find and nothing held up but a bar of soap worked quite well.

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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by Craig Leach » Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:40 pm

Hi Jason,
I have not had good luck with fuel petcocks & timesaver. Had good luck with oil & water petcacks. The aviation valve grease is great stuff
I use it religously. I have not tried tooth past but makes sence, I have used Fast Orange hand cleaner to lap firepump pressure relief valves
before, in a pinch worked pretty good.
Craig.

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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by JBog » Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:48 pm

What about silicone or dielectric grease?


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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by Erik Johnson » Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:02 am

My father and I used bar soap to lubricate the fuel shut off valves and respective petcocks on our Ts.

It's not affected by gasoline and lasts a long time.

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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by Kaiser » Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:26 am

Jason, the aviation EZ lube is designed specific for lubrication of fuel system components and won't dissolve in gasoline, soap does the same, used it to fix leaking valves on everything from bikes to trucks, even made a temporary fix once on a carb float that had a small leak, just smeared the little hole with a bar of regular soap and drove the bike home for 50 miles or so, worked like a charm !
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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by Humblej » Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:08 am

Soap is corrosive, I wouldnt recomend it for a Model T fuel shut off valve.

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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by babychadwick » Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:45 am

Old trick, push in as you shut off rather than just turn.
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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by CudaMan » Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:51 am

EZ turn works, but I find that I have to disassemble the valve and reapply the EZ turn once a month or so. No big deal. :)
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Re: Lapping brass petcocks

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:14 am

Humblej wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:08 am
Soap is corrosive, I wouldnt recomend it for a Model T fuel shut off valve.
I have not found that to be the case. Works well for me. It only takes a tiny amount. I thin coating on the tapered shaft, being careful to NOT get any tiny shavings of soap in the hole, has lasted for years. Just rub the bar soap on the shaft in a couple of spots. When you rotate the valve it will distribute as needed. Again, a tiny amount. You don't want any soap particles getting loose and going into your carb!

Still wouldn't hurt to do some fine lapping to get things running closely. Do a little lapping, then look at the shaft and in the hole to see if the surfaces look dull all over, signifying that full contact has been achieved. If there are still areas that lapping has not affected, repeat and recheck. Having a dull/lapped surface and full contact can make the valve "sticky". A tiny bit of soap will help to lubricate it.

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