Pulling engine on a 15/16 Touring. Does not look like engine will come out pass firewall. Is it best to remove hood former and firewall to get it out? Or does someone know a better solution.
Looks like firewall was sealed to body with black RTV??
By the way, has starter hogs head. Thanks Dan.?
Question on 1915/16 Firewall???
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TWrenn
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Re: Question on 1915/16 Firewall???
Been a while since I removed my former 15s engine but I remember removing that steel former or at least raising it up somewhat and I also ended up loosening the body to raise up some AND had to cut a bit off the bottom of the firewall where it meets the frame to still get the pan ears out from under. It was a real PUA believe me!
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Re: Question on 1915/16 Firewall???
Ha ha I meant PIA but you already knew that! Good luck buddy! I'm pulling my 13s engine this fall and trust me I'm a lot better off being able to take ITS firewall off than what you gotta do! 
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Dan Hatch
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Re: Question on 1915/16 Firewall???
Looks like raising the body a few inches is going to be best. Specially since the former looks to be sealed to the body.
May just have to part this thing out!!!!
May just have to part this thing out!!!!
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Re: Question on 1915/16 Firewall???
Ohhhh don't part it out! Raising it up ain't horribly bad but it seems that I either couldn't get it raised enuf short of like totally raising it as in a removal or just wouldn't which is why I had to get the sawzall out! Good luck Dan!
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Re: Question on 1915/16 Firewall???
My internet died, so I'm starting over. The idea of raising the body is correct. Take the nuts off the front and middle body bolts, and loosen the two rear ones. Raise the front of the body and put a couple of blocks under it. The pan arms will slide forward as you pull the engine. You don't need to do anything with the firewall.
The inevitable often happens.
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Re: Question on 1915/16 Firewall???
I have removed the engine without raising the body or removing the firewall but it's a real fist fight.
I prefer the "remove the firewall" method.
I prefer the "remove the firewall" method.
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Re: Question on 1915/16 Firewall???
A long time ago, one of my first mentors in the antique automobile hobby had a 1915 runabout, and needed to repair something in the engine. So i went over for a couple evenings to help remove and then replace the engine after he fixed what needed fixing.
We did it as Steve Jelf said. Loosened the two rear body mount bolts, removed the middle and forward body mount bolts as well as the firewall to frame bracket bolts (I think that was the hardest part of the whole process, and they weren't that difficult). The drag link and steering column to frame bracket had to be unbolted also. The steering column was left on the firewall and we had to maneuver the engine around it a bit. As I recall, the hogshead was still on it, and we pressed the pedals down enough to clear the raised body and firewall.
I think we raised it about six inches in the front. Leaving the rear body mount bolts in place but loose kept the body basically in place, and made dropping it back down easier to line things up.
It wasn't difficult.
If I ever have to pull the engine on my 1915 runabout, I plan to do it the same way.
We did it as Steve Jelf said. Loosened the two rear body mount bolts, removed the middle and forward body mount bolts as well as the firewall to frame bracket bolts (I think that was the hardest part of the whole process, and they weren't that difficult). The drag link and steering column to frame bracket had to be unbolted also. The steering column was left on the firewall and we had to maneuver the engine around it a bit. As I recall, the hogshead was still on it, and we pressed the pedals down enough to clear the raised body and firewall.
I think we raised it about six inches in the front. Leaving the rear body mount bolts in place but loose kept the body basically in place, and made dropping it back down easier to line things up.
It wasn't difficult.
If I ever have to pull the engine on my 1915 runabout, I plan to do it the same way.