Roof overhead update
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Ralph F
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Roof overhead update
I just got the head back the machine shop this week. The head got 8 new valves, 2 new valve guides and 6 bronze inserts. There is a serial number on the front of the head and it is 1077 X. There is freeze plug on the top of the head that has some number but are pretty hard to read
Fitz
Fitz
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Joe Bell
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Re: Roof overhead update
You will love how it performs!
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Dodge
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Re: Roof overhead update
Hey Ralph,
How rusty were those vavle springs before everything was cleaned up? Valve springs tend break when they've been rusted and pitted.
just say'n....
How rusty were those vavle springs before everything was cleaned up? Valve springs tend break when they've been rusted and pitted.
just say'n....
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Re: Roof overhead update
I would not run those valve springs. Even a single small rust pit, nick, or scratch can cause a spring to break in service, possibly leading to a dropped valve.
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Re: Roof overhead update
I am really glad someone spoke up about the valves - overheads are beyond my experience and expertise, but I do know metal and was hoping someone with conviction would step in.
Scott Conger
Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny
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Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny
NH Full Flow Float Valves™
Obsolete carburetor parts manufactured
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Ralph F
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Re: Roof overhead update
Thanks fellows for pointing out to me that I need to replace these valve springs. Would you be able to recommend who
I should contact for replacement springs. Again thanks for the advice.
Fitz
I should contact for replacement springs. Again thanks for the advice.
Fitz
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Re: Roof overhead update
Scott Conger
Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny
NH Full Flow Float Valves™
Obsolete carburetor parts manufactured
Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny
NH Full Flow Float Valves™
Obsolete carburetor parts manufactured
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Dan McEachern
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Re: Roof overhead update
Just a FYI- regular music wire springs do not have the fatigue resistance needed for an application like this. You really need a spring made of a material suited for use as a valve spring. The challenge will be finding one with wire small enough wire to keep the seat pressure around 50-60 lbs.
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Re: Roof overhead update
The stock T valve springs are working fine in my Akron-Hed overhead. Chebby valves and keepers, and 8N tractor spring retainers are a perfect fit. I went looking for off the shelf valve springs last year for a Fronty, and found that all the light pressure options had been discontinued… 
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Re: Roof overhead update
Dan
thank you for info regarding music wire. I've never given it any thought at all regarding valve springs since my spring requirements are typically all carburetor or die-stamping applications. Never too old to learn something new
Now I had to do some research, and it does turn out that Lee Spring does in fact sell chrome silicon springs suitable for valve springs. Since I'd never had a need to purchase such a product, their alloy springs were news to me as of this AM. Whether or not they actually carry something that would be appropriate in this application, I haven't a clue...
Hopefully, Ralph will find the right spring for the application soon.
thank you for info regarding music wire. I've never given it any thought at all regarding valve springs since my spring requirements are typically all carburetor or die-stamping applications. Never too old to learn something new
Now I had to do some research, and it does turn out that Lee Spring does in fact sell chrome silicon springs suitable for valve springs. Since I'd never had a need to purchase such a product, their alloy springs were news to me as of this AM. Whether or not they actually carry something that would be appropriate in this application, I haven't a clue...
Hopefully, Ralph will find the right spring for the application soon.
Scott Conger
Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny
NH Full Flow Float Valves™
Obsolete carburetor parts manufactured
Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny
NH Full Flow Float Valves™
Obsolete carburetor parts manufactured
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tman1913
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Re: Roof overhead update
I always go to SBI. You can download a PDF. Starting on page 1083 (springs). You will need information from your spring. Takes some time but if they don’t have it l would be shocked. They have all things for overheads. I have used them for Roof, Rajo and Fronty heads
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Re: Roof overhead update
Here is the URL: https://www.sbintl.com/Home/AboutENG
Jahn
1925 Coupe--owned by my Grandfather
1925 Coupe--owned by my Grandfather
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Dodge
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Re: Roof overhead update
Another good source is: Diamon wire spring company. You can download their catalog for stocking springs or have them custom made.
Dodge
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