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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Post by RustyFords » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:18 am

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I shouldn't as it's late but holy crap! I bet it's very comfortable already!
Thanks to people like you and other good-scroungers (one of our Mark's!), I look for leather couches around here...
I'll get you my pretty! Eh hem, leather.
It is VERY cozy...so much so that I'm hesistant to mess with it much more. That old thick leather is soft like a nicely used baseball glove.

The guys over on the HAMB hotrod site are where I got the idea to scrounge a leather couch. They've been doing that for roadster upholstery for a while.

I wasn't finding a suitable donor couch laying on the curb so I went on the local online classifieds site and found a lady trying to sell her leather couch and loveseat set for $400. It was perfect...not a lot of fussiness in the design, just big flat expanses of thick high quality leather.

I know, from personal experience that used upholstered furniture is almost impossible to sell...for any amount of money. I've tried to do it and I always end up just giving it away, or worse...taking it to the dump.

So I contacted the lady and said that I hoped she got her asking price on her pretty couches but if she ever got to the point where she just needed them gone, I would come get them. I told her how I was needing the leather for my Model T project and I sent her a photo of the car. A few weeks later, she said they were in her driveway and I could come get them for free.
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Post by RustyFords » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:08 pm

Here's a couple shots of the T's current state.

The focus right now is wood and interior coverings.

A little interesting tidbit: When I started running this freshened-up engine, I installed one of those accessory transmission screens with the little magnet. Then about a month ago, I removed it to clean it and then ran the car without it. I immediately noticed that, without it installed, the transmission was quite a bit more noisy.

Then a couple days ago, I re-installed the screen and the transmission went back to being more quiet again. I'm wondering if the screen is directing more oil to various places in the transmission and quieting it down. Just a theory.
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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Post by RustyFords » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:51 pm

The driver’s side fender/splash apron support bracket was missing and the sheet metal in that area was beat up pretty bad.

A forum member kindly donated an OEM bracket and I installed it this morning. I’m going to come up with a support patch for the sheet metal that looks 75 years old, but for now I just installed the bracket.

I’ll ruminate on what that patch should look like.

There’s one more fastener to install but it’s under the hood shelf. I’ll wait until I have a reason to take off the shelf before I do that.
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Post by Allan » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:45 pm

Don, I'd drill a small hole at the end of that crack. It may well stop it getting any worse. If the crack stops there, there may be no need for any further repairs. On Henrietta, the rear mudguards were mounted under the tray with a bolt through the outside bead only. This allowed them to wobble and that resulted in a significant crack in one of them at the splash panel bracket. I took the mudguard off and oxy welded the crack. It was left like that and after two years the repair looks as old as the car. I did put a bolt through the inner bead on the mudguard to stop the wobble, so it is not likely to recur. On the other side of the car, it was the splash panel that cracked. That is too much work to get off to weld, so it has just been left. the second bolt through the mudguard hes stopped all the flexing anyway.

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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Post by RustyFords » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:34 pm

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Don, I'd drill a small hole at the end of that crack. It may well stop it getting any worse. If the crack stops there, there may be no need for any further repairs. On Henrietta, the rear mudguards were mounted under the tray with a bolt through the outside bead only. This allowed them to wobble and that resulted in a significant crack in one of them at the splash panel bracket. I took the mudguard off and oxy welded the crack. It was left like that and after two years the repair looks as old as the car. I did put a bolt through the inner bead on the mudguard to stop the wobble, so it is not likely to recur. On the other side of the car, it was the splash panel that cracked. That is too much work to get off to weld, so it has just been left. the second bolt through the mudguard hes stopped all the flexing anyway.

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That’s probably the best solution Allan. I’ve welded a couple other cracks on this car and you’re right...after a few years, they are starting to look like very old repairs.
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Post by RustyFords » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:42 pm

A small bit of novice learning for me recently....total rookie mistake. :oops:

My transmission drums were turned by Ross Lilleker. He also installed the kevlar bands that I'm using. So...everything was/is in good shape.

Ross told me that the bands would need a bit of adjustment after I drove it for a while. Sure enough, after I drove the car for a little while, I adjusted the brake pedal a bit and noticed that the pedal would be nicely adjusted for a short time, then quickly go back to the point where it needed to be adjusted again.

Rinse, repeat....same result. I'd adjust a small amount then, after some driving, the brake pedal would go back to where it was, pre-adjustment.

This weekend, I had the trans cover off and was determined to see why this was happening. I was worried about maybe the band getting destroyed by something like a cracked drum but couldn't find a crack and couldn't find any shredded band material in the transmission screen. I then adjusted the brake band nut a small amount, then pressed the pedal over and over while I watched and the little nut walked back a bit every time I released the pedal.

It immediately occurred to me that I was tightening the nut too little....ie, not enough for the washer indentation to catch. This was causing the nut to back off until it finally did catch an indentation. So the next time, I tightened it a full rotation until it caught an indentation, then took the car out for a drive and the brake adjustment stayed like I left it.

Like I said, this was a rookie thing. But maybe one of the new T drivers here will gain from it. :)
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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Post by RustyFords » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:48 pm

Here’s how I’m storing my emergency gasoline and oil.

John Mays gave me this gorgeous old wooden box when he sold his home. It’s being held in place by a cut-down running board rack and a bunch of rolled up burlap sacks. The rack was with the car when it was pulled from the hay shed, so I wanted to keep it with the car.
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I use the pre-mix fuel for my weed-whacker and painted one of the empty cans then labeled it. It’s rated for gasoline and doesn’t leak, so it’s perfect.
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Then I added a bottle of oil and stuffed the voids with clean shop rags...and viola!
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It’s not a lot of gas, but it should be enough to get to the next gas station.
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I tried to make all of it practical. The burlap sacks can be used as a mat to lay on the ground when doing repairs...you can’t ever have too many shop rags and the old box matches the look of the car. I probably need to lash it all down with some old twine.
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Post by Allan » Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:24 pm

Don, not to get too picky, but your burlap bag should not have multi coloured printing. :)
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Post by RustyFords » Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:37 pm

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Don, not to get too picky, but your burlap bag should not have multi coloured printing. :)
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Touché 😉

Although...I’m wondering if colored burlap was showing up by WW2?
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Post by NealW » Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:24 pm

It immediately occurred to me that I was tightening the nut too little....ie, not enough for the washer indentation to catch. This was causing the nut to back off until it finally did catch an indentation. So the next time, I tightened it a full rotation until it caught an indentation, then took the car out for a drive and the brake adjustment stayed like I left it.

Like I said, this was a rookie thing. But maybe one of the new T drivers here will gain from it.
You should not feel bad about this, because in my opinion, that important point is not communicated, or clearly communicated, in the Ford repair or owners manual regarding band adjustment. Fortunately for me, Mike Bender told me about this when I put the rebuilt engine/transmission in our 15 runabout restoration last spring. I think that the only place I've seen it mentioned that you can only adjust the bands in 1/2 turn increments is in Royce's article here:

https://modeltfordfix.com/adjusting-the ... he%20pedal.

Knowing to adjust in 1/2 turn increments is like whacking the carburetor with a screwdriver to stop a fuel leak at the carburetor. Most T owners seem to know to do these things because someone with experience told them, but no one seems to ever have written it in the usual sources we go to for information.


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Post by Allan » Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:21 am

Don, I have two heavy jute sacks, stuffed with woollen noil from our wool processing. It took me a while to find two original 187 pound fertiliser sacks with just the black brand. I was offered many potato sacks but all those were all had multi coloured brands and showed weights in kilograms.
The wool stuffed fertiliser sacks make comfortable seats for kids in the back of Henrietta and cushions when were stop for any kind of break on runs.
The 187 pound bags made up one ton of fertiliser. All of them were manhandled at some stage in their use. Imagine OH&S allowing that these days. Our bags of cement are now down to 20kg and that is a recommended 2 person lift.

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Post by RustyFords » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:20 pm

The latest side view...
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Post by RustyFords » Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:39 pm

NealW wrote:
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It immediately occurred to me that I was tightening the nut too little....ie, not enough for the washer indentation to catch. This was causing the nut to back off until it finally did catch an indentation. So the next time, I tightened it a full rotation until it caught an indentation, then took the car out for a drive and the brake adjustment stayed like I left it.

Like I said, this was a rookie thing. But maybe one of the new T drivers here will gain from it.
You should not feel bad about this, because in my opinion, that important point is not communicated, or clearly communicated, in the Ford repair or owners manual regarding band adjustment. Fortunately for me, Mike Bender told me about this when I put the rebuilt engine/transmission in our 15 runabout restoration last spring. I think that the only place I've seen it mentioned that you can only adjust the bands in 1/2 turn increments is in Royce's article here:

https://modeltfordfix.com/adjusting-the ... he%20pedal.

Knowing to adjust in 1/2 turn increments is like whacking the carburetor with a screwdriver to stop a fuel leak at the carburetor. Most T owners seem to know to do these things because someone with experience told them, but no one seems to ever have written it in the usual sources we go to for information.
Thanks Neal. Fortunately, this was one of those rare occasions where my ignorance did no harm. :D
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Post by RustyFords » Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:41 pm

Allan wrote:
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Don, I have two heavy jute sacks, stuffed with woollen noil from our wool processing. It took me a while to find two original 187 pound fertiliser sacks with just the black brand. I was offered many potato sacks but all those were all had multi coloured brands and showed weights in kilograms.
The wool stuffed fertiliser sacks make comfortable seats for kids in the back of Henrietta and cushions when were stop for any kind of break on runs.
The 187 pound bags made up one ton of fertiliser. All of them were manhandled at some stage in their use. Imagine OH&S allowing that these days. Our bags of cement are now down to 20kg and that is a recommended 2 person lift.

Allan from down under.
Yeah...people were definitely made of different stuff back in the day.

In the meantime, you've shamed me (kidding) into turning my sacks inside out so that it's just burlap with no printing at all showing. And I'm searching for some period burlap sacks.
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Post by RustyFords » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:44 pm

I’m working on my spare tire carrier and tail light.

I have a beautifully weathered tail light/ stop light and license plate bracket that even has a metal insert that makes it say “STOP” on the top half.

The guts of it need a full rebuild and that’s a fun little bench project.

I‘m going to buy one of the stop light switches from Lang’s and have separate taillight and stop light functionality.
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Post by RustyFords » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:06 pm

This Model A tail light is set up to have separate tail light and brake light functions....which is exactly what I'm wanting. The fact that it says "STOP" is just a cool little bonus.

However, it was setup to achieve this via a weird little jumper springy metal tab that had broken. Instead of ordering a new one, I just made a short replacement version. It works very well.

Here's the repair and a shot of the two separate lights doing their things.

Now to order a brake light switch from Langs.
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Post by RustyFords » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:30 pm

Here’s my version of a tail light bracket that’s in keeping with what a pre-1945 farmer on a very tight budget might’ve cobbled together from his Model T parts pile out behind the barn.

I have two of the spare carriers that mount on the rear crossmember, both of which are beat up and heavily repaired. So I cut one of the arms off of one of them along with enough of the horizontal piece to mount the tail light to.

It mounts to the crossmember, just like the original carrier.

It’s just mocked up in the photos. It’ll come back off and get cleaned up and wired in.

I found a 1942 Texas plate with a wartime 1943 registration tag at Chickasha.

I’m not totally sure I like how far it sticks out. I may revisit it at a later date and modify it...jury’s still out on that.
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Post by RustyFords » Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:30 pm

There it is on the spare tire carrier arm. Tiny...but there it is...gotta love it. For some reason it makes me smile every time I find one hidden like an Easter egg. 😊
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Post by RustyFords » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:43 pm

Brake/Tail light is all hooked up.

I gave the homemade/repurposed bracket my highly secret patina treatment so it matches the rest of the car.

I’m just waiting for my stop light switch from Fun Projects, then I’ll have a brake light. This will be one of the few concessions to modernity that I’ll be making (like safety glass, etc).
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Post by RustyFords » Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:12 am

Not only does Birdhaven have great products but they also take the time to do the little things...like throwing in a pack of Tootsie Rolls.

Gotta love it.
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Post by RustyFords » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:18 pm

Success with the new stoplight switch, etc.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:44 pm

Really coming along Don! I notice that you have the same crummy canvas front seat cover like mine has. What is the timeline for completion?
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Really coming along Don! I notice that you have the same crummy canvas front seat cover like mine has. What is the timeline for completion?
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Thanks Ignacio!

I was pushing things hard to make the Texas T Party. Its cancellation allowed me to take a breath.

All I lack before I call it “completed” is the rest of the interior and the top installation. The interior will be done in the next couple months. The top may need to wait until the super hot weather returns.

Of course, it’ll never be truly completed. I’ll continue to tweak things for years, but all the main systems and aspects will be done once the top installation is complete and I’ll close out this build thread.

That’ll be long before the 2021 T Party and I’ll be there for sure. It’ll probably be my car’s first real tour.
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Post by RustyFords » Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:03 pm

Nearing completion. Just need the top and a little more interior work.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:47 pm

Thank Don! :idea: Now I want a touring !

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Thank Don! :idea: Now I want a touring !
What’s one more?!!!

They’re small, and you’ve got the room! 😉
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