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horn button column bracket bolt...
After finding a good working horn and putting things back together I noticed I don't have the bolt/nut that holds the horn switch and secures the bracket to the steering column.
If any one could snap and post a picture of that long bolt/nut that would help in locating it through all my small boxes of parts ect. Thanks in advance.
If any one could snap and post a picture of that long bolt/nut that would help in locating it through all my small boxes of parts ect. Thanks in advance.
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Re: horn button column bracket bolt...
Here you go:
: ^ )
Keith
The head of the screw and the nut are very, very thin.: ^ )
Keith
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The photo above is not correct! The part in question is a screw, and is smaller than what is pictured. I detest people posting information like this! The originals were 6-32 X 1 1/2", raven finished. The nut is hex. I have several of these. I pick them up when at Hershey and other places.
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Re: horn button column bracket bolt...
Whoa Larry....a bit of an overreaction. In the spirit of helping our fellow Model T enthusiasts we share the information that we have. If I had a 100 year old part I can be forgiven for thinking that it is correct the way it is made unless it contains something obviously modern. If you have better information you can share without being nasty about it.
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Re: horn button column bracket bolt...
Larry, are either of these correct? Similar style screws but one is slotted and the other is slightly smaller head diameter and no slot. Also different thickness hex nuts. Both were in dirty horn buttons ThanksOriginal Smith wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:01 amThe photo above is not correct! The part in question is a screw, and is smaller than what is pictured. I detest people posting information like this! The originals were 6-32 X 1 1/2", raven finished. The nut is hex. I have several of these. I pick them up when at Hershey and other places.
The past is a great place and I don't want to erase it or to regret it, but I don't want to be its prisoner either.
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Re: horn button column bracket bolt...
Thanks for posting the examples. Pictures are so helpful.
Rich
Rich
When did I do that?
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What is nasty about posting correct information about a subject that will benefit everyone?
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Re: horn button column bracket bolt...
Your original response prompted me to see if I had a correct screw nut combination to match your description (The originals were 6-32 X 1 1/2", raven finished.) So are any of these parts not or screw correct.?Original Smith wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:46 amWhat is nasty about posting correct information about a subject that will benefit everyone?
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Re: horn button column bracket bolt...
Well, then maybe you'd do us the kindness of posting a photo of your "Original Smith Approved" example... rather than blurting out "not correct!" and further "detesting" people who have gone the extra step to be helpful. So, you have several of them... well, good for you.Original Smith wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:01 amThe photo above is not correct! The part in question is a screw, and is smaller than what is pictured. I detest people posting information like this! The originals were 6-32 X 1 1/2", raven finished. The nut is hex. I have several of these. I pick them up when at Hershey and other places.
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Re: horn button column bracket bolt...
The first picture I posted was harvested off the interweb. I wish I could give the image owner credit.
I have seen both thin and thick nuts like in the image Frank posted. Mine has the thin nut (and its really hard to put it together!)
100% original.
Keep in mind that Ford sourced parts and fasteners from more than one supplier.
Larry, would you be so kind as to post some images of the fasteners that you have found over the years?
: ^ )
(BTW, Larry can be a little gruff sometimes, but he really is a nice guy and we are good friends!)
Keith
I have seen both thin and thick nuts like in the image Frank posted. Mine has the thin nut (and its really hard to put it together!)
100% original.
Keep in mind that Ford sourced parts and fasteners from more than one supplier.
Larry, would you be so kind as to post some images of the fasteners that you have found over the years?
: ^ )
(BTW, Larry can be a little gruff sometimes, but he really is a nice guy and we are good friends!)
Keith
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Re: horn button column bracket bolt...
I agree, I'm a little rough around the edges at times, my apologies to those that can't take my comments! They are certainly not intended to offend anyone. I agree with Keith, when I was taking apart my NOS horn switch, I had a difficult time getting it back together.
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You need to have a responsible adult check your posts before you hit the button. Don’t you have a neighbor kid that can help? That way he will learn about Ts JMHO
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Re: horn button column bracket bolt...
Thanks for all the input fellas, hey....it's early April so I'm the fool who lost the hardware but the posts are priceless and informative.
That sketch of the assembly is great KW.
That sketch of the assembly is great KW.
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Re: horn button column bracket bolt...
It's good to see the information about these. The thread should be a good resource for those who have questions in the future.
I admire Keith's attitude and comments toward Mr. Smith. Some of my favorite experts were very opinionated and blunt. It may go along with being passionate about wanting things to be absolutely right. Remarks can often be taken as offensive and over critical. I have visited with former members who take offense and refrain from participating. Many have useful and interesting things to say.
I hope we can all keep this in mind as we read and post our comments.
There are wonderful people who make this forum great that I haven't met. All I can do is form an opinion from what they say here.
Let's keep it the great Forum it has been.
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I admire Keith's attitude and comments toward Mr. Smith. Some of my favorite experts were very opinionated and blunt. It may go along with being passionate about wanting things to be absolutely right. Remarks can often be taken as offensive and over critical. I have visited with former members who take offense and refrain from participating. Many have useful and interesting things to say.
I hope we can all keep this in mind as we read and post our comments.
There are wonderful people who make this forum great that I haven't met. All I can do is form an opinion from what they say here.
Let's keep it the great Forum it has been.
Rich
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Re: horn button column bracket bolt...
Nobody expects non-original horn button column bracket bolts! An insidious invasion of non-original horn button column bracket bolts and their co-conspiratorial, non-original horn button column bracket nuts is ruining our society! The need for Certified Expert Horn Button Column Bracket Bolt Inspectors (CEHBCBBI) has never been greater!
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Re: horn button column bracket bolt...
I just found another NOS horn switch screw, not bolt! I sent it to Keith, and hopefully will be able to share it. My concern is the threads. In Keith's original photo, the threads look like NC.