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Post by Original Smith » Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:43 am

Most of you are aware of sub-standard parts, but this one is important. I'm trying to help a new member with an original 1915. He needs the correct axle housing caps for the car, and they are not available. I think that is disgusting with the number of pre 1919 T's on the road today. I don't want to hear any crap about shimming them up either!


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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Scott_Conger » Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:49 am

Just in case anyone does not understand the DEMAND part of "supply and demand"... :?
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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Oldav8tor » Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:01 am

Are you talking about the steel caps with the felt washer that fit over the end of the rear axle tube? I have floating hubs and removed mine. Might still have them somewhere. I believe my 1917 would be the same as a 1915.

FWIW - I think most of the guys who stick with the original hyatt bearings have converted to modern neoprene seals which reduces the demand for the original type.

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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by havnfun » Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:14 am

Larry,
Hope this helps!
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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Dan Hatch » Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:44 am

Is this what you looking for?
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Email me Larry. Dan


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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by speedytinc » Sun Apr 09, 2023 1:11 pm

Original Smith wrote:
Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:43 am
Most of you are aware of sub-standard parts, but this one is important. I'm trying to help a new member with an original 1915. He needs the correct axle housing caps for the car, and they are not available. I think that is disgusting with the number of pre 1919 T's on the road today. I don't want to hear any crap about shimming them up either!
Caps need to be on hammer tight. I never considered shimming.
Have wondered why earlier caps were not available for decades.
I have modified the larger later cups to fit tightly on earlier housings by 2 small pie cuts & welding them shut.


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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by speedytinc » Sun Apr 09, 2023 1:12 pm

Dan Hatch wrote:
Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:44 am
Is this what you looking for?
6728F3D3-B73E-4844-BDC1-6F7A3301165F.jpeg

44ABE75A-4C1C-4DFA-99AA-BBDBE3D922A6.jpeg

Email me Larry. Dan
I believe the flared flanges indicate the later caps.


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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by AndyClary » Sun Apr 09, 2023 1:16 pm

Not a big fan of the machined caps. I get the standard cap and run a small internal bead on my bead roller. Installs and stays on well. I realize not everyone has a bead roller but if you ask around you’ll probably find someone that does.

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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Sun Apr 09, 2023 2:15 pm

havnfun wrote:
Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:14 am
Larry,
Hope this helps!
It helped me!!!! :)


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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by pete eastwood » Sun Apr 09, 2023 3:51 pm

Larry, maybe it's time you got into the Model T parts manufacturing business !

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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Mark Chaffin » Sun Apr 09, 2023 4:04 pm

Group hug for Larry. :)

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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Will_Vanderburg » Sun Apr 09, 2023 4:27 pm

I have a large post office box of original Axle caps. Don’t know if they would work on your friend’s car.
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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Tom_Carnegie » Sun Apr 09, 2023 5:25 pm

I have a few NOS early caps.


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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by John kuehn » Sun Apr 09, 2023 5:30 pm

Speedytinc Noted that he wondered why the earlier style haven’t been around for a good while.
It could be that the folks who make the later ones thinks they were all the same. It’s a detail that might have been overlooked.

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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Henry K. Lee » Sun Apr 09, 2023 5:32 pm

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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Wayne Sheldon » Sun Apr 09, 2023 5:49 pm

I managed to scrape up enough originals for my two current brass cars. I was all set to do a small slice cut and weld or heat and shrink of a later pair to make fit the earlier housings, when digging in a box of model T stuff I found another pair I did not remember having.
I am not sure whether cut and weld or heat and shrink would be easier to make look and fit best? But either way would work and take a lot less time than trying to make something from scratch.


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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Dan Hatch » Sun Apr 09, 2023 6:12 pm

I don’t know anything about flanges, but these start on a housing for a 15 WT and will not even try to start on a 26 housing.
Came out of a Ford dealer in the 50s. Dan


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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Original Smith » Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:20 am

Thanks for all the meaningful posts! I believe my friend has found a pair. He will know in a week. I do believe that Lang's and Snyder's should join forces and get the correct ones made with all the pre 1919 cars that are still on the road!

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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Steve Jelf » Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:50 pm

Some people install the TP backwards so their cat can't unwind it.
The inevitable often happens.
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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by BRENT in 10-uh-C » Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:21 pm

Original Smith wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:20 am
Thanks for all the meaningful posts! I believe my friend has found a pair. He will know in a week. I do believe that Lang's and Snyder's should join forces and get the correct ones made with all the pre 1919 cars that are still on the road!
Just standing on the sidelines eating my popcorn while looking at toilet paper patents, and it made me wonder, so Larry, I am curious what amount of these would need to be manufactured correctly to fill the immediate need and how many need to go into inventory to supply hobbyists in the future? Are you thinking 10 sets, 100 sets, or or 500 sets?? How much do you feel the average hobbyist would be willing to pay for these if they were correctly made???


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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Les Schubert » Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:37 pm

Having made the mistake of reproducing some rare T parts (exact copies) and everyone tries to grind me on the price, it’s hard to get much sympathy for the whiners!

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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Henry K. Lee » Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:40 pm

Amen Brother Les!


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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by TXGOAT2 » Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:31 pm

You could move 40,000 of them, easily, if you could produce 20,000 value-priced cars.


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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:36 pm

TXGOAT2 wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:31 pm
You could move 40,000 of them, easily, if you could produce 20,000 value-priced cars.
You first.


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Post by TXGOAT2 » Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:40 pm

It's no longer legal to produce value-priced automobiles in this country.

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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Craig Leach » Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:07 pm

If you could produce value priced electric cars it would be legal & you would make a millions. But we know thats not going to happen as long as
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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by Original Smith » Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:07 am

John Von Karvaly nailed it. I believe the photos Dan posted are the later design. I don't understand what toilet paper has to do with this post!


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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by speedytinc » Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:15 pm

Dan Hatch wrote:
Sun Apr 09, 2023 6:12 pm
I don’t know anything about flanges, but these start on a housing for a 15 WT and will not even try to start on a 26 housing.
Came out of a Ford dealer in the 50s. Dan
They are a tight hammer on fit. If they will slip on an early (15) housing, without a hammer, they are the later size. Seeming to not start on a later housing would be a normal situation. They fit that tight.
The early cups typically dont have the curved flange on the edge.


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Re: Reproduction Parts

Post by slang250 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:33 am

Be careful when checking original unused caps if they are the early version or later version.

Ford did make some of the earlier smaller diameter caps with with the flange on them.

The ID of the caps should be 2.382-2.384" on the earlier smaller caps if NOS and 2.429-2.431" on the later NOS larger caps.

We have a few pairs of NOS smaller diameter caps available.

Thank You Steve

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