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Everyone has their "stim". And stim costs money, .... always. Some people stim on
fishing. Others on boats. Some like to just go out drinking. Others like to golf (horrors !)
Women seem to often have a stim about "shopping", or saving money. I knew a guy years
ago that was worth MILLIONS, and his stim was eating moldy cheese sandwiches and tracking
all his money in a little spiral notebook that he kept in his shirt pocket.
For the old car stim, few vehicle types deliver as much bang for the buck as a Model T ....
IF (key word here) .... one is the kind of person that likes OLD and SLOW and appreciates
subtle pleasures, like putting smiles on the faces of children and old people.
fishing. Others on boats. Some like to just go out drinking. Others like to golf (horrors !)
Women seem to often have a stim about "shopping", or saving money. I knew a guy years
ago that was worth MILLIONS, and his stim was eating moldy cheese sandwiches and tracking
all his money in a little spiral notebook that he kept in his shirt pocket.
For the old car stim, few vehicle types deliver as much bang for the buck as a Model T ....
IF (key word here) .... one is the kind of person that likes OLD and SLOW and appreciates
subtle pleasures, like putting smiles on the faces of children and old people.
More people are doing it today than ever before !
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"Likes old and slow"? Hell. I'm living it.
Life is good on the lunatic fringe. Tom
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Love the bike!!!
24-28 TA race car, 26 Canadian touring, 25 Roadster pickup, 14 Roadster, and 11AB Maxwell runabout
Keep it simple and keep a good junk pile if you want to invent something
Keep it simple and keep a good junk pile if you want to invent something

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Doing some cleanup this week.
Hopefully moving into the cleaner assembly stage.
Before : After: Now that’s a piece of art :
Hopefully moving into the cleaner assembly stage.
Before : After: Now that’s a piece of art :
If my short term memory gets any shorter, I won’t even have thought about what I’m going to forget.
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Art? It sure is! That drive is gorgeous Paul and those sprockets look great! What color? No wait, show us when painted.



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What a $#@! BEAST !!!
More people are doing it today than ever before !
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Those photos are fantastic!
Thanks
Rich
Thanks
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Looks like you have been very busy! Great job. I cant wait for more. I agree with the art comment.
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Hmmm...wonder what color it could be ?

That is a behemoth, very cool !!

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"But Henry would be proud."
If kinda original for a Mack? OK.
If not? Noooooooooooooo!
Oh oh, now you have to... No, please no, I have these Twin City's and the T's to finish yet...

Gloss, satin or flat?
If kinda original for a Mack? OK.
If not? Noooooooooooooo!

Oh oh, now you have to... No, please no, I have these Twin City's and the T's to finish yet...


Gloss, satin or flat?

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It will be modeled after our other Wrecker with similar accents, but I’ll have to change the color from ‘Coal Black’
- to gloss ‘Black’ in accordance with the model year !
Engine cylinders, squirrel cage, wheel hubs, sprockets (and possibly chains ?), as well as winches/cable pulleys (safety) will be accented as our TT.
All aluminum (block, pan, and transmission) and brass/copper will remain exposed (possibly clear coated to prevent oxidation).
A lot of work yet before that happens.
- to gloss ‘Black’ in accordance with the model year !

Engine cylinders, squirrel cage, wheel hubs, sprockets (and possibly chains ?), as well as winches/cable pulleys (safety) will be accented as our TT.
All aluminum (block, pan, and transmission) and brass/copper will remain exposed (possibly clear coated to prevent oxidation).
A lot of work yet before that happens.
If my short term memory gets any shorter, I won’t even have thought about what I’m going to forget.
Can’t, ain’t Possible
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Looking so nice! Can such a behemoth be so nice? Yeah, but they sure ain't fast!
I do look forward to seeing this done.
I do look forward to seeing this done.
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Wow,you folks are getting to play with your toys.All my daily stuff took up some time lately.My 04 Dodge pickup with the hemi,transmission went BANG and I coasted to a stop a couple weeks ago. Towed it to the shop about 20 miles away and still waiting.106,000 miles on a very clean truck.I was utterly shocked that a transmission would go out with that few miles.
I had been wanting to do some repairs on my 91 F150 and had the new catalytic convertor on the work bench when the dodge died.So I put the f150 in the shop here at home and I got started fixing a grocery list of issues.Mainly the convetor.I bought a kit on ebay that replaced the entire setup ,went from 2 to just 1.Then found the muffler and tailpipe rusted,so that was replaced.
I had a BAD oil leak at the front of the engine,a 300 inline 6. I thought it was the oil pan gasket.I tore into it to lift the engine and replace it like the youtube video showed.Wrong,they didn't bother to say they were working on 4x4's with plenty of clearance!
So I had to struggle and fish the new gasket around the oilpump and so forth.Replaced abad motor mount when I put it back together.I was so happy,for a few minutes.I went to put oil in,and realized,there was a puddle under the truck STILL>You pour oil in the top and part of it comes out the bottom. Turns out it was a gasket on the side of the engine block,in behind a bunch of stuff.A real pain! BUT I got it! No leaks now,and that new convertor lets the truck run and pull good again and it brought back the mileage.So I was right that the convertors were clogged.It also got new front brakes,wheel bearings,power window switches , new wiper motor,and a good polishing and such.Alot of work but it is good for years to come now.

I had been wanting to do some repairs on my 91 F150 and had the new catalytic convertor on the work bench when the dodge died.So I put the f150 in the shop here at home and I got started fixing a grocery list of issues.Mainly the convetor.I bought a kit on ebay that replaced the entire setup ,went from 2 to just 1.Then found the muffler and tailpipe rusted,so that was replaced.
I had a BAD oil leak at the front of the engine,a 300 inline 6. I thought it was the oil pan gasket.I tore into it to lift the engine and replace it like the youtube video showed.Wrong,they didn't bother to say they were working on 4x4's with plenty of clearance!
So I had to struggle and fish the new gasket around the oilpump and so forth.Replaced abad motor mount when I put it back together.I was so happy,for a few minutes.I went to put oil in,and realized,there was a puddle under the truck STILL>You pour oil in the top and part of it comes out the bottom. Turns out it was a gasket on the side of the engine block,in behind a bunch of stuff.A real pain! BUT I got it! No leaks now,and that new convertor lets the truck run and pull good again and it brought back the mileage.So I was right that the convertors were clogged.It also got new front brakes,wheel bearings,power window switches , new wiper motor,and a good polishing and such.Alot of work but it is good for years to come now.
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Reset points...
Technology, the solution to all of our problems... and the cause of most of them.
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My grandfather Cole drove chain drive Macks alot many moons ago.He was driving 1 towing a trailer when the Cresant Limited train hit him in 1940. When I first wanted to restore a truck,I wanted a chain drive Mack.Well,because of Granpal and his name being Mack and he drove them.And my name woulda been on it to.
But once I got to digging around money wise,I could not afford them.So I went with the idea of a T because my granpal Blackwelder always told me storys of his T's and such.
Worked out ok.But I still love to see a old chain drive truck being fixed.

Worked out ok.But I still love to see a old chain drive truck being fixed.
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Now that's pretty interesting to me because just last month I had to replace the manifolds on the 350 in my '71 GMC. People on the Chevy truck forum and elsewhere told me they had never seen this before and that I must have something wrong ranging from timing to blocked exhaust, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with how this truck has run and performed for the ten years I have owned it and everything checked out afterward.cudaman wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:44 pmA couple of months ago, I finally got fed up with the exhaust manifold leaks on my 1971 Plymouth GTX. I thought that the gaskets were blown, but once I got the manifolds off it turned out that the driver side manifold was cracked into two pieces and the passenger side manifold had a circular spot with cracks radiating from it.
I purchased two good used manifolds and swapped them in, the exhaust is nice and quiet now.![]()
I started out replacing a muffler and knew that I had some leaks up front, what I thought were bad donut gaskets. While the pipe was disconnected I decided to move to the front and do the gaskets and that's when the pipe wiggled in my hand and I knew something bigger was wrong. The left side manifold had a heat shield over it, so I never could see this happening. The right side was starting to do the same but it wasn't obvious yet. Seems to be right there where all the heat concentrates where it dumps out the middle. Maybe it's a junk 1970's iron thing.
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Looks very similar to what happened on my GTX, I wonder if it's just age and heat cycles catching up with the cast iron?
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It almost makes me think it's something to do with the era because I've worked on a lot of older stuff that has seen a lot more abuse and miles than my truck and I've never seen a cast iron manifold do that before. My truck only has 105,000 miles on it.
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Hi Rich, thanks for starting this great post. We all love the model T s but it seems anything from that era draws our attention. I often wonder if we're reincarnated from that time.
I've been sorting through things in my containers and have found some early motorcycle parts, one is a carburetor with a 1914 Harley tag, and a rear hub and sprocket, no tag but in great condition. I'll post some pictures so they might be identified. I don't need them, but maybe someone else on this forum might have use for there project.
You do amazing work, it's great to share our experience. There is a small High school in the town of Wheatland in California. They have a great program in the metal shop class, and have restored several antique tractors. I'm hoping to get in touch with the teacher and donate a model T chassis for them to restore. There are still plenty of our teens that love working on anything mechanical.
Have a great day Mike
I've been sorting through things in my containers and have found some early motorcycle parts, one is a carburetor with a 1914 Harley tag, and a rear hub and sprocket, no tag but in great condition. I'll post some pictures so they might be identified. I don't need them, but maybe someone else on this forum might have use for there project.
You do amazing work, it's great to share our experience. There is a small High school in the town of Wheatland in California. They have a great program in the metal shop class, and have restored several antique tractors. I'm hoping to get in touch with the teacher and donate a model T chassis for them to restore. There are still plenty of our teens that love working on anything mechanical.
Have a great day Mike
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That's a great idea Michael. There are plenty of youngsters to keep this great hobby going if only they can see how enjoyable it is. It has always amazed me how much interest and participation concerning other early vehicles etc there is here. Far more expertise appears on this forum than any other I know of. The Off Topic section has been a success in many ways.
Thanks
Rich
Thanks
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The level of historical dalliance borne out of the Kalamity Dick thread is
proof enough of the success of the off-topic section.
proof enough of the success of the off-topic section.
More people are doing it today than ever before !
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And a dork like me hasn't even shown my toys yet Burger.
Oop, outside the scope of Rich's thread, Carry on.
Oop, outside the scope of Rich's thread, Carry on.
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Finally got the new shoes on. First time on its own rubber in over 12 years. Had to get them on to be able to move it easier during the assembly.
If my short term memory gets any shorter, I won’t even have thought about what I’m going to forget.
Can’t, ain’t Possible
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Good work. Those tires will last forever. Not cheap tho are they?
Looking great!
Looking great!
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They came with a lifetime warranty
1k each.

1k each.
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I've been helping a friend restore his 1958 Porsche 356 Speedster. After having the metal work (rust repair) done and bodywork, I started in on it a couple months ago, working in my spare time and weekends, to get it painted, so he can finally start assembly. Here's 2photos taken this evening, ready for it to go home. When he bought it, it was painted (horribly) black. Now back to the correct orginal "Elfenbein" white.
* well, I can't seem to rotate the photos right side up. Darn....*
* well, I can't seem to rotate the photos right side up. Darn....*
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Wow, looking good. I have a friend who had a similar Porsche, but his had the very rare bench seat in it. He's had it some two to three decades and finally was almost finished with the restoration. BTW, that bench seat is so rare, the factory museum offered him $20K just for the seat. In the Camp Fire he lost his shop, including the nearly finished car. End of story there, except one should have insurance (he didn't).
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Mack, you didn't know all older Dodge pickups toss their transmissions at some point?
They do.
Duey_C says to Mr David_Dewey, it is too bad about the loss of your friend's Porsche. Truly.
None of my treasures are insured. Mistake! Right it Du.
David, ya think they'll ever get it that we ain't the same person? Nah.
Paul, that looks absolutely wonderful! Those tires make it look like he'll do 40! Thank you.
I still work away at study and moving forward with my non-vehicle project/projects. Deep in the rabbit hole, I've even noted hose clamp fixes and fails on 90 year old foolishness. Much to do!
Great thread Rich! Excuse this late night OT.
One more little 130 pound piece of a puzzle.


Duey_C says to Mr David_Dewey, it is too bad about the loss of your friend's Porsche. Truly.
None of my treasures are insured. Mistake! Right it Du.
David, ya think they'll ever get it that we ain't the same person? Nah.

Paul, that looks absolutely wonderful! Those tires make it look like he'll do 40! Thank you.
I still work away at study and moving forward with my non-vehicle project/projects. Deep in the rabbit hole, I've even noted hose clamp fixes and fails on 90 year old foolishness. Much to do!
Great thread Rich! Excuse this late night OT.
One more little 130 pound piece of a puzzle.
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Had to do a bit of mock up this week.
Since everything is based on the cab assembly, I had to temporarily remount the cab and cowl
on the chassis in order to do a fit up of the new fenders and running board fabrications.
Still have a bit of work to do on the fenders.
But it’s lookin good over all.
Since everything is based on the cab assembly, I had to temporarily remount the cab and cowl

Still have a bit of work to do on the fenders.

But it’s lookin good over all.
If my short term memory gets any shorter, I won’t even have thought about what I’m going to forget.
Can’t, ain’t Possible
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‘22 Mack AC
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Thats looking great. You have been busy.
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That old AC Bulldog is coming along nicely ! love it !
When in trouble, do not fear, blame the second engineer ! 
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The Mack is looking really nice Paul! How many cubes is the engine?
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471, but it’s only a 4 cylinder. (5x6)
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Thank you!
You have me as the 4 cylinder engine behind my radiator above is at 413 cubes at 4-11/16x6 right now.
4-3/4 is my limit at 425 cubes.
Big Mack engine! No wonder you ponder cranking. Me too. I don't happen to have enough belt pulley parts and a belt to spin...
I'd bet you'll rev your Mack engine a bit higher than my 1075 max...
I'm pushing just about 50 horse perhaps. Your Mack, a bit better!
For the Mopar fans? Burger?
I have two engines in 1928 (OT) 17-28 tractors 26038 and 26068 that are 340 cubic inch, Twin Cam, 16 valve @ 1000 rpm.
Company literature say the engines will make 40 hp. Grunt! A Twin Cam monster will come here yet at 641 cu. in.
5x6 is a big engine. Thanks Paul!
Keep posting pics if you would. Love your beautiful truck!

4-3/4 is my limit at 425 cubes.
Big Mack engine! No wonder you ponder cranking. Me too. I don't happen to have enough belt pulley parts and a belt to spin...
I'd bet you'll rev your Mack engine a bit higher than my 1075 max...
I'm pushing just about 50 horse perhaps. Your Mack, a bit better!
For the Mopar fans? Burger?
I have two engines in 1928 (OT) 17-28 tractors 26038 and 26068 that are 340 cubic inch, Twin Cam, 16 valve @ 1000 rpm.
Company literature say the engines will make 40 hp. Grunt! A Twin Cam monster will come here yet at 641 cu. in.
5x6 is a big engine. Thanks Paul!
Keep posting pics if you would. Love your beautiful truck!
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The FORD connection ———
There had to be a tie-in for my Mack somewhere to this forum ..........
As you know you run into just about everything during a full restoration, and I’ve been chasing parts, suppliers, component restorers.
The Mack Museum is a great source as they have records on every truck Mack has ever built, including build sheets, and usually prints of every component installed at the factory - (but no parts).
However, as you know, everything on these 100 year old vehicles isn’t stock.
While trying to work in advance of need, I’ve been chasing info on the generator. Mack has twice said they have no record of any electronics on my truck, but it surely has been designed in to the engine.
While trying to find information on the generator itself, I find this (!) -
I haven’t been able to find anything online searching for info on it. I am assuming it’s 6v.
So now the question to you - who knows anything about a Ford ‘R3’ generator ?
Any help would be appreciated.
There had to be a tie-in for my Mack somewhere to this forum ..........
As you know you run into just about everything during a full restoration, and I’ve been chasing parts, suppliers, component restorers.
The Mack Museum is a great source as they have records on every truck Mack has ever built, including build sheets, and usually prints of every component installed at the factory - (but no parts).
However, as you know, everything on these 100 year old vehicles isn’t stock.
While trying to work in advance of need, I’ve been chasing info on the generator. Mack has twice said they have no record of any electronics on my truck, but it surely has been designed in to the engine.
While trying to find information on the generator itself, I find this (!) -
I haven’t been able to find anything online searching for info on it. I am assuming it’s 6v.
So now the question to you - who knows anything about a Ford ‘R3’ generator ?
Any help would be appreciated.
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The R3 looks to be late Model A or B with the drive end modified to use with the drive it has now. One wire from field goes to ground, the other goes to cutout for out put. The Model A/B had two approx 1/4 bolts to hold the bracket on and two 10-32 to hold the cutout on like the T on the other side.
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Mark - Thanks for that.Mark Gregush wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:33 pmThe R3 looks to be late Model A or B with the drive end modified to use with the drive it has now. One wire from field goes to ground, the other goes to cutout for out put. The Model A/B had two approx 1/4 bolts to hold the bracket on and two 10-32 to hold the cutout on like the T on the other side.
I’m chasing the possibility that it might be a 38/39 Ford Truck generator, minus the pulley and front bracket.

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Could be earlier, but car too;
https://www.ebay.com/i/183520623249?chn ... D0QAvD_BwE
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Correlations:
Very interesting!
Ignore this... On my front, there's been a lighting generator on this engine in the past also! Yet the late T genny mount holes do not line up to the mounting/adapter plate and fear I may have the uber-rare Robert Bosch lighting adapter yet no unobtanium generator to...
Interesting Mack truck details! Thank you!

Very interesting!
Ignore this... On my front, there's been a lighting generator on this engine in the past also! Yet the late T genny mount holes do not line up to the mounting/adapter plate and fear I may have the uber-rare Robert Bosch lighting adapter yet no unobtanium generator to...
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FANTASTIC!
Thanks for sharing that.
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Thanks for sharing that.
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Woo Hoo ! Wonderful. You back is to the camera, we cant see that smile.
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Fantastic, thats a milestone, congrats !
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I love you guys sharing your projects , keep updating please. Rich, I went to an auction here in town and was thinking of you and your bike.
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That is a great looking '20. I wish mine were that far along. It also reminds me of our show last Summer. That is what I should be doing today.
Thanks for sharing those.
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Thanks for sharing those.
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May not be Poetry, but it’s (finally) in Motion.
https://youtu.be/noPBxvtXbXc
Now to take it all back apart, and prep for paint.

https://youtu.be/noPBxvtXbXc
Now to take it all back apart, and prep for paint.

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Oh Yes! It is Poetry too!
That is Great!
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That is Great!
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Very nice Paul !! Can’t wait to see it painted. 

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Thanks.. Me too.
I don’t believe I will ever complain about hand cranking a T, ever - again.

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Does that Beast have a compression release. My White does but it still takes much more than a T. My shoulder is starting to complain after 40 years. Ts are a breeze.
Keep us posted.
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Keep us posted.
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No. Nor does it have primers, so it takes 3-4 revs to charge the cylinders to get it to kick. Usually takes 2-3 attempts, by then you’re wasted. Powering thru the compression strokes is a ?itch.
But when it starts, it runs great.
But when it starts, it runs great.
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I have to spin mine 5 turns with the choke on and then 5 more turns and it takes off. My magnets may be weak. I do have a starter hole and teeth on the flywheel. A starter may be in order now.
I have to be close to TDC or it won't fire. I know what you mean powering thru.
Are we tough guys or just not too bright?
I have to be close to TDC or it won't fire. I know what you mean powering thru.
Are we tough guys or just not too bright?

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Well after working on this for so long, you really begin to question your sanity of starting on it. (Bought it 13 years ago Monday
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But when you compare the ‘before’ with the ‘after’(current), at least you feel a bit better about it. ..
And now it runs !


But when you compare the ‘before’ with the ‘after’(current), at least you feel a bit better about it. ..
And now it runs !
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That big 471 sure runs nice! Thanks Paul!
Like that ZF-4 mag too. Playing with U-4's and a ZR-4 out in the shop.

Like that ZF-4 mag too. Playing with U-4's and a ZR-4 out in the shop.

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Im working on tracing some fuel delivery problems on the starboard engine. The picture was taken about 5 miles off shore. Road blocks are established and the entire county is closed to non-residents. Its nice without the tourists.
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Just to keep the balance right in the universe I work on this Flathead a week or so every 4 or 5 years. I was given this '36 engine for my '35 Panel delivery a dozen or so years ago. The previous owner suggested I remove the heads to see if things were good inside. They were but the fiber gaskets needed to be scraped off before putting on new copper ones. Scraping around the 21 studs (42 altogether) kept me busy for 2 days. Maybe I'll get it in the chassis and running this Summer. (or nor)
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I am kinda sidelining the Model T's for a while and taking on the task of getting this 1920 Dodge road worthy. Took me a better part of a day to work the multi plate clutch free. Got it running and have driven it a bit.
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Better jump on that other head right away so you don’t forget how you did it ! 

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There is something about working on a different project for a change. Like Mark's Dodge, the flathead Ford's quirks present some new challenges. I can return to the T's after a rest and a broader appreciation of them. A local guy bought a '23 Dodge after 50 years of Model 'A's. He went completely through it and decieded it was too slow and sold it. But the process was very good for him as a change and he's back to the Model A work now.
I've often questioned why this Forum is so successful. Certainly the moderators from Bruce to Chris and Jeff and their good choices have been one of the keys. The attitudes and energy participants put into this is extraordinary too. But beyond that I think the expertise of those who know Model T's and have other related interests adds much to the successfulness here
Somehow cleaning the transmission parts was terribly fulfilling. That was the next step and I was fortunate to find usable parts from the 2 transmissions I have. These sat out in the weather all these years and may in fact get tossed out when this car changes hands. Most of the interest I have had in this vehicle is from Hot Rodders who would put a more modern running gear in it. Ironically, those are the folks that I got the parts from.
For now it's just rewarding to be making some progress and enjoying the nice weather.
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In the same vain I think it is healthy for the Model T Forum to have a "Time Out" section like this. I can't get excited about every subject but many do catch my imagination and enhance the pastime.I've often questioned why this Forum is so successful. Certainly the moderators from Bruce to Chris and Jeff and their good choices have been one of the keys. The attitudes and energy participants put into this is extraordinary too. But beyond that I think the expertise of those who know Model T's and have other related interests adds much to the successfulness here
Somehow cleaning the transmission parts was terribly fulfilling. That was the next step and I was fortunate to find usable parts from the 2 transmissions I have. These sat out in the weather all these years and may in fact get tossed out when this car changes hands. Most of the interest I have had in this vehicle is from Hot Rodders who would put a more modern running gear in it. Ironically, those are the folks that I got the parts from.
For now it's just rewarding to be making some progress and enjoying the nice weather.
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You probably already know this but Mac Van Pelt is the best resource on these transmissions in terms of parts, online reference, and even help on the phone. His self-published rebuild manual is excellent and saves a lot of missteps. Don't get your fingers pinched!:
http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/flat ... _trans.htm
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Thanks Walter. I did look there. I have the "Green Book" and a Motors Manual that kept me from some of the trouble. The syncro and the second gear locking plunger would have been a disaster without them. Like the T you have to know some secrets.
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Good news on the Dodge Mark! I like it!
Rich, thanks for posting about the V-8 Fords.
When I was young I thought they were dumb...until I was at a showgrounds and watched an old fire truck pumping water for tractors or engines or something. DING! That's cool and smooth!
The '45 school bus come dump truck way back sure ran nice when I had it out.
I whole-heartedly agree this OT forum being a plus!
Some people only T and that's great, yet plenty of us are multi-faceted in our interests. Or else have ADD...
I think I'm a little Autistic maself.
I have looked at things from this T bunch I never would have dreamed...
Thank you.
I just text my Twin City tractor dealer/friend that I have more enjoyment ahead of me than I can shake a stick at.
I need to get the 18 PsychOdelic Runabout home. What a year!
Busy under-grounders doing our thing at home!
Rich, thanks for posting about the V-8 Fords.
When I was young I thought they were dumb...until I was at a showgrounds and watched an old fire truck pumping water for tractors or engines or something. DING! That's cool and smooth!
The '45 school bus come dump truck way back sure ran nice when I had it out.
I whole-heartedly agree this OT forum being a plus!
Some people only T and that's great, yet plenty of us are multi-faceted in our interests. Or else have ADD...
I think I'm a little Autistic maself.
I have looked at things from this T bunch I never would have dreamed...
Thank you.

I just text my Twin City tractor dealer/friend that I have more enjoyment ahead of me than I can shake a stick at.
I need to get the 18 PsychOdelic Runabout home. What a year!
Busy under-grounders doing our thing at home!
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After I got the information on where the engine number was (the guy that posted the info is from Australia and was posted between 11 and 12 our time) on one of the 3 spare engines I got with the car (along with a bunch of other parts) I was out in the ship at midnight looking for it. Found out it's Dec 1916 engine. Normally it's over the water inlet (wonder where they got that from?
), but the early engines was in a different location. Dodge used 3 point suspension for the engines, the front point being a ball shape that slides into the snout of the timing cover and pan and rides in a carrier on the front cross member.
The rear somewhat like the Model A. The engine less the bell housing and transmission are a big chunk of iron.


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Taking a break and Soaking up some sun
A long way to go - but it’s finally mobile !
(Now to start on the Wrecker Assembly)

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How cool is that! Its come a long way! Great job on bringing back Mack!
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Woohoo! Been waiting for an update Paul. 

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As found in the wild! 2016
Not really found but allowed to purchase. A pair of 1920 Cleveland six model forties. Both engines were rotted through the oil pans in the dirt. two more parts engines from 2 other states and four years and
I have a heartbeat! Overhead valve in 1920 wasn't that common.
Not really found but allowed to purchase. A pair of 1920 Cleveland six model forties. Both engines were rotted through the oil pans in the dirt. two more parts engines from 2 other states and four years and
I have a heartbeat! Overhead valve in 1920 wasn't that common.
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How lucky are you? That is a great car. Have fun with it.
I hope to hear some more about it as time goes by.
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I hope to hear some more about it as time goes by.
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Was the wire wheel in the foreground part of your haul? Are the other 3 hubs and wheel centers on the chassis? Acquiring a full set of hubs and wheel centers is 90% of the effort when it comes to converting a car to wire wheels. The rims are almost always toast, and don’t plan on using the spokes for anything more than patterns. If you have the hubs and centers, a set of wheels can be completed with ease
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Funny! When I loaded this picture l actually thought of you because of the wheel in it! I'm pretty sure sure they survived. The owner is noKevin Pharis wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:56 pmWas the wire wheel in the foreground part of your haul? Are the other 3 hubs and wheel centers on the chassis? Acquiring a full set of hubs and wheel centers is 90% of the effort when it comes to converting a car to wire wheels. The rims are almost always toast, and don’t plan on using the spokes for anything more than patterns. If you have the hubs and centers, a set of wheels can be completed with ease
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Looks like a Houk #5 wheel center and hub... the wheel center is not all that uncommon and of no particular value by itself, and an unidentified application hub has about equal value.
But if you have a car that you desired to convert to wire wheels... it is near unheard of to find a complete set of wheels and hubs that would directly mount to your specific application. So if that is a Cleveland chassis... you should keep an eye on it
But if you have a car that you desired to convert to wire wheels... it is near unheard of to find a complete set of wheels and hubs that would directly mount to your specific application. So if that is a Cleveland chassis... you should keep an eye on it
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My gear shift lever spring for the '35 Ford had scummed to age and moisture. I'm sure I could buy a replacement or some spring that would work. Not wanting to leave the shop I thought I would see what I could devise. A few years ago I unwound a small coil spring with some pliers. It surprised me how easy it straightened out. I ended up making some odd shaped door springs for my Maxwell by doing that. The old spring was 1" O.D. I had an extension spring that was just a bit smaller wire diameter that the rust one. I thought it would be easy to enlarge it's 9/16" O.D. to 1" buy pressing it down a mandrel. It was not having any of that. After a couple of hours of trying to twist and turn in a dozen different ways I decided it wasn't going to happen. But grabbing one end with the spring around a shaft in the vise I was able to pull it out of it's coil into a not straight but a 4" circle. Then I rewound it around a 3/4" shaft. I wrapped it tight and it rebounded to about 1". The coils were not evenly spaced but I could fiddle around bending them so they came close to being equal. I would guess the spring looses some of it's properties by stressing it that way but it has ample tension to do what it needs to do. I was pleased I had kept at it.
Also shown is my attempt to restore a badly bend up gear shift lever to somewhere close to original.
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Most of the work on the '35 trans and my "soaked" T trans has been mundane cleaning which has not been worth mentioning here. This however was something I thought was more interesting and perhaps useful to those who haven't tried it. Anything over 5/64ths wire diameter might be quite a challenge.Also shown is my attempt to restore a badly bend up gear shift lever to somewhere close to original.
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Rich,
I am wondering how you can still get your lever up ? Did you use just heat?
I am wondering how you can still get your lever up ? Did you use just heat?

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Ya, I'm getting old but I can still do a few things.
I straightened the upper 3/4 in a press but had to heat the lower part. It had been bent off to the left so I had to straighten it out and then put the bend back in the right direction.

I straightened the upper 3/4 in a press but had to heat the lower part. It had been bent off to the left so I had to straighten it out and then put the bend back in the right direction.
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Re: What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.
I’ve seen shift levers bent like that before on transmissions used when converting old belt driven machinery to electric motor powered. The electric motor and automotive transmission would be high mounted, and the shift lever twisted down so one could reach it
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Re: What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.
Trying to get into corners to clean can be difficult. Today I wired some Scotch-brite strips to some sharpened dowels. They allowed me to get where my fingers aren't sharp enough. I'll have to try it on brass next time.
The old 'T' piston gets the part up a bit and the rust/carbon is a good surface to work on.
Perhaps others will find these useful.When did I do that?
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Re: What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.
I wanted to clean up a spare generator for the '35. It was reluctant to come apart. After soaking it with penetrating oil and then soaking it in water it was still stuck. I thought maybe a gentle nudge in the press might push the armature through the case. I used some steel and a socket for spacers and put some pressure on. With no results I finally put all 12 tons to it. Still no movement. I added a little pressure each day and finally used a longer jack handle. I expected a BANG! if it ever let loose, but didn't expect the armature shaft to penetrate the 1/8" steel into the socket.
I thought some of you might enjoy this as it isn't that common at my shop.
Rich
At this point the armature was showing some movement and did come out of it's shell. My next task is to remove the punctured plate from the shaft. The parts may clean up and work. Or not.I thought some of you might enjoy this as it isn't that common at my shop.
Rich
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Re: What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.
That was really stuck! 

I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas!
1925 Cut down pickup
1920 Dodge touring
1948 Ford F2 pickup

1925 Cut down pickup
1920 Dodge touring
1948 Ford F2 pickup