What have you done on an old non-Model T vehicle.

Burger in Spokane · Post by **Burger in Spokane** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:08 am

Everyone has their "stim". And stim costs money, .... always. Some people stim on
fishing. Others on boats. Some like to just go out drinking. Others like to golf (horrors !)

Women seem to often have a stim about "shopping", or saving money. I knew a guy years
ago that was worth MILLIONS, and his stim was eating moldy cheese sandwiches and tracking
all his money in a little spiral notebook that he kept in his shirt pocket.

For the old car stim, few vehicle types deliver as much bang for the buck as a Model T ....
IF (key word here) .... one is the kind of person that likes OLD and SLOW and appreciates
subtle pleasures, like putting smiles on the faces of children and old people.

46woodduck · Post by **46woodduck** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:12 am

"Likes old and slow"? Hell. I'm living it.

John Warren · Post by **John Warren** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:44 am

Love the bike!!!

Post by **PDGx** » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:47 pm

Doing some cleanup this week.

Hopefully moving into the cleaner assembly stage.

Before :

After:

Now that’s a piece of art :

Post by **Duey_C** » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:35 pm

Art? It sure is! That drive is gorgeous Paul and those sprockets look great! What color? No wait, show us when painted.

Burger in Spokane · Post by **Burger in Spokane** » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:25 am

What a $#@! BEAST !!!

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:54 am

Those photos are fantastic!
Thanks
Rich

Post by **PDGx** » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:02 pm

Duey_C wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:35 pm
Art? It sure is! That drive is gorgeous Paul and those sprockets look great! What color? No wait, show us when painted.

I’d tell you - but then I’d have to ...... (never mind)

- But Henry would be proud.

Post by **Dallas Landers** » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:34 pm

Looks like you have been very busy! Great job. I cant wait for more. I agree with the art comment.

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:21 pm

PDGx wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:02 pm

Duey_C wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:35 pm
Art? It sure is! That drive is gorgeous Paul and those sprockets look great! What color? No wait, show us when painted.
I’d tell you - but then I’d have to ...... (never mind)

- But Henry would be proud.

Hmmm...wonder what color it could be ?

That is a behemoth, very cool !!

Post by **Duey_C** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:36 am

"But Henry would be proud."
If kinda original for a Mack? OK.
If not? Noooooooooooooo!

Oh oh, now you have to... No, please no, I have these Twin City's and the T's to finish yet...

Gloss, satin or flat?

Post by **PDGx** » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:30 am

It will be modeled after our other Wrecker with similar accents, but I’ll have to change the color from ‘Coal Black’

: Ford Color chart

- to gloss ‘Black’ in accordance with the model year !

Engine cylinders, squirrel cage, wheel hubs, sprockets (and possibly chains ?), as well as winches/cable pulleys (safety) will be accented as our TT.

All aluminum (block, pan, and transmission) and brass/copper will remain exposed (possibly clear coated to prevent oxidation).

A lot of work yet before that happens.

Wayne Sheldon · Post by **Wayne Sheldon** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:31 am

Looking so nice! Can such a behemoth be so nice? Yeah, but they sure ain't fast!
I do look forward to seeing this done.

tdump · Post by **tdump** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:35 pm

Wow,you folks are getting to play with your toys.All my daily stuff took up some time lately.My 04 Dodge pickup with the hemi,transmission went BANG and I coasted to a stop a couple weeks ago. Towed it to the shop about 20 miles away and still waiting.106,000 miles on a very clean truck.I was utterly shocked that a transmission would go out with that few miles.

I had been wanting to do some repairs on my 91 F150 and had the new catalytic convertor on the work bench when the dodge died.So I put the f150 in the shop here at home and I got started fixing a grocery list of issues.Mainly the convetor.I bought a kit on ebay that replaced the entire setup ,went from 2 to just 1.Then found the muffler and tailpipe rusted,so that was replaced.
I had a BAD oil leak at the front of the engine,a 300 inline 6. I thought it was the oil pan gasket.I tore into it to lift the engine and replace it like the youtube video showed.Wrong,they didn't bother to say they were working on 4x4's with plenty of clearance!
So I had to struggle and fish the new gasket around the oilpump and so forth.Replaced abad motor mount when I put it back together.I was so happy,for a few minutes.I went to put oil in,and realized,there was a puddle under the truck STILL>You pour oil in the top and part of it comes out the bottom. Turns out it was a gasket on the side of the engine block,in behind a bunch of stuff.A real pain! BUT I got it! No leaks now,and that new convertor lets the truck run and pull good again and it brought back the mileage.So I was right that the convertors were clogged.It also got new front brakes,wheel bearings,power window switches , new wiper motor,and a good polishing and such.Alot of work but it is good for years to come now.

Post by **Tom Hicks** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:01 am

Reset points...

tdump · Post by **tdump** » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:00 am

My grandfather Cole drove chain drive Macks alot many moons ago.He was driving 1 towing a trailer when the Cresant Limited train hit him in 1940. When I first wanted to restore a truck,I wanted a chain drive Mack.Well,because of Granpal and his name being Mack and he drove them.And my name woulda been on it to.

But once I got to digging around money wise,I could not afford them.So I went with the idea of a T because my granpal Blackwelder always told me storys of his T's and such.
Worked out ok.But I still love to see a old chain drive truck being fixed.

Post by **Walter Higgins** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:36 pm

cudaman wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:44 pm
A couple of months ago, I finally got fed up with the exhaust manifold leaks on my 1971 Plymouth GTX. I thought that the gaskets were blown, but once I got the manifolds off it turned out that the driver side manifold was cracked into two pieces and the passenger side manifold had a circular spot with cracks radiating from it.

I purchased two good used manifolds and swapped them in, the exhaust is nice and quiet now.

Now that's pretty interesting to me because just last month I had to replace the manifolds on the 350 in my '71 GMC. People on the Chevy truck forum and elsewhere told me they had never seen this before and that I must have something wrong ranging from timing to blocked exhaust, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with how this truck has run and performed for the ten years I have owned it and everything checked out afterward.

I started out replacing a muffler and knew that I had some leaks up front, what I thought were bad donut gaskets. While the pipe was disconnected I decided to move to the front and do the gaskets and that's when the pipe wiggled in my hand and I knew something bigger was wrong. The left side manifold had a heat shield over it, so I never could see this happening. The right side was starting to do the same but it wasn't obvious yet. Seems to be right there where all the heat concentrates where it dumps out the middle. Maybe it's a junk 1970's iron thing.

Post by **CudaMan** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:27 pm

Looks very similar to what happened on my GTX, I wonder if it's just age and heat cycles catching up with the cast iron?

Post by **Walter Higgins** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:50 pm

cudaman wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:27 pm
Looks very similar to what happened on my GTX, I wonder if it's just age and heat cycles catching up with the cast iron?

It almost makes me think it's something to do with the era because I've worked on a lot of older stuff that has seen a lot more abuse and miles than my truck and I've never seen a cast iron manifold do that before. My truck only has 105,000 miles on it.

Post by **Michael Paul** » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:55 am

Hi Rich, thanks for starting this great post. We all love the model T s but it seems anything from that era draws our attention. I often wonder if we're reincarnated from that time.

I've been sorting through things in my containers and have found some early motorcycle parts, one is a carburetor with a 1914 Harley tag, and a rear hub and sprocket, no tag but in great condition. I'll post some pictures so they might be identified. I don't need them, but maybe someone else on this forum might have use for there project.

You do amazing work, it's great to share our experience. There is a small High school in the town of Wheatland in California. They have a great program in the metal shop class, and have restored several antique tractors. I'm hoping to get in touch with the teacher and donate a model T chassis for them to restore. There are still plenty of our teens that love working on anything mechanical.

Have a great day Mike

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:24 am

That's a great idea Michael. There are plenty of youngsters to keep this great hobby going if only they can see how enjoyable it is. It has always amazed me how much interest and participation concerning other early vehicles etc there is here. Far more expertise appears on this forum than any other I know of. The Off Topic section has been a success in many ways.
Thanks
Rich

Burger in Spokane · Post by **Burger in Spokane** » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:26 pm

The level of historical dalliance borne out of the Kalamity Dick thread is
proof enough of the success of the off-topic section.

Post by **Duey_C** » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:04 am

And a dork like me hasn't even shown my toys yet Burger.
Oop, outside the scope of Rich's thread, Carry on.

Post by **PDGx** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:40 pm

Finally got the new shoes on. First time on its own rubber in over 12 years. Had to get them on to be able to move it easier during the assembly.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:54 pm

Good work. Those tires will last forever. Not cheap tho are they?
Looking great!

Post by **PDGx** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:10 pm

They came with a lifetime warranty

1k each.

Lgitts · Post by **Lgitts** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:19 pm

I've been helping a friend restore his 1958 Porsche 356 Speedster. After having the metal work (rust repair) done and bodywork, I started in on it a couple months ago, working in my spare time and weekends, to get it painted, so he can finally start assembly. Here's 2photos taken this evening, ready for it to go home. When he bought it, it was painted (horribly) black. Now back to the correct orginal "Elfenbein" white.

* well, I can't seem to rotate the photos right side up. Darn....*

: porsche 1

david_dewey · Post by **david_dewey** » Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:39 pm

Wow, looking good. I have a friend who had a similar Porsche, but his had the very rare bench seat in it. He's had it some two to three decades and finally was almost finished with the restoration. BTW, that bench seat is so rare, the factory museum offered him $20K just for the seat. In the Camp Fire he lost his shop, including the nearly finished car. End of story there, except one should have insurance (he didn't).

Post by **Duey_C** » Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:37 am

Mack, you didn't know all older Dodge pickups toss their transmissions at some point?

They do.
Duey_C says to Mr David_Dewey, it is too bad about the loss of your friend's Porsche. Truly.
None of my treasures are insured. Mistake! Right it Du.
David, ya think they'll ever get it that we ain't the same person? Nah.

Paul, that looks absolutely wonderful! Those tires make it look like he'll do 40! Thank you.
I still work away at study and moving forward with my non-vehicle project/projects. Deep in the rabbit hole, I've even noted hose clamp fixes and fails on 90 year old foolishness. Much to do!
Great thread Rich! Excuse this late night OT.
One more little 130 pound piece of a puzzle.

Post by **PDGx** » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:07 pm

Had to do a bit of mock up this week.

Since everything is based on the cab assembly, I had to temporarily remount the cab and cowl

on the chassis in order to do a fit up of the new fenders and running board fabrications.

Still have a bit of work to do on the fenders.

But it’s lookin good over all.

Post by **Dallas Landers** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:31 am

Thats looking great. You have been busy.

Kaiser · Post by **Kaiser** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:10 am

That old AC Bulldog is coming along nicely ! love it !

Post by **Duey_C** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:59 pm

The Mack is looking really nice Paul! How many cubes is the engine?

Post by **PDGx** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:54 pm

471, but it’s only a 4 cylinder. (5x6)

Post by **Duey_C** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:47 pm

Thank you!

You have me as the 4 cylinder engine behind my radiator above is at 413 cubes at 4-11/16x6 right now.
4-3/4 is my limit at 425 cubes.
Big Mack engine! No wonder you ponder cranking. Me too. I don't happen to have enough belt pulley parts and a belt to spin...
I'd bet you'll rev your Mack engine a bit higher than my 1075 max...
I'm pushing just about 50 horse perhaps. Your Mack, a bit better!
For the Mopar fans? Burger?
I have two engines in 1928 (OT) 17-28 tractors 26038 and 26068 that are 340 cubic inch, Twin Cam, 16 valve @ 1000 rpm.
Company literature say the engines will make 40 hp. Grunt! A Twin Cam monster will come here yet at 641 cu. in.
5x6 is a big engine. Thanks Paul!
Keep posting pics if you would. Love your beautiful truck!

Post by **PDGx** » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:23 pm

The FORD connection ———

There had to be a tie-in for my Mack somewhere to this forum ..........

As you know you run into just about everything during a full restoration, and I’ve been chasing parts, suppliers, component restorers.

The Mack Museum is a great source as they have records on every truck Mack has ever built, including build sheets, and usually prints of every component installed at the factory - (but no parts).

However, as you know, everything on these 100 year old vehicles isn’t stock.

While trying to work in advance of need, I’ve been chasing info on the generator. Mack has twice said they have no record of any electronics on my truck, but it surely has been designed in to the engine.

: Cast brass Generator mount

: Ford R3 Generator and mount

While trying to find information on the generator itself, I find this (!) -

: Ford Script

I haven’t been able to find anything online searching for info on it. I am assuming it’s 6v.

So now the question to you - who knows anything about a Ford ‘R3’ generator ?

Any help would be appreciated.

Mark Gregush · Post by **Mark Gregush** » Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:33 pm

The R3 looks to be late Model A or B with the drive end modified to use with the drive it has now. One wire from field goes to ground, the other goes to cutout for out put. The Model A/B had two approx 1/4 bolts to hold the bracket on and two 10-32 to hold the cutout on like the T on the other side.

Post by **PDGx** » Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:53 pm

Mark Gregush wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:33 pm
The R3 looks to be late Model A or B with the drive end modified to use with the drive it has now. One wire from field goes to ground, the other goes to cutout for out put. The Model A/B had two approx 1/4 bolts to hold the bracket on and two 10-32 to hold the cutout on like the T on the other side.

Mark - Thanks for that.

I’m chasing the possibility that it might be a 38/39 Ford Truck generator, minus the pulley and front bracket.

Mark Gregush · Post by **Mark Gregush** » Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:46 am

Could be earlier, but car too;
https://www.ebay.com/i/183520623249?chn ... D0QAvD_BwE

Post by **Duey_C** » Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:56 am

Correlations:
Very interesting!
Ignore this... On my front, there's been a lighting generator on this engine in the past also! Yet the late T genny mount holes do not line up to the mounting/adapter plate and fear I may have the uber-rare Robert Bosch lighting adapter yet no unobtanium generator to...
Interesting Mack truck details! Thank you!

Post by **PDGx** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:48 pm

Been a good day -

https://youtu.be/eBU2jtfgBhY

It’s alive !

First start in 50+ years.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:58 pm

FANTASTIC!
Thanks for sharing that.
Rich

Post by **Dallas Landers** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:24 pm

Woo Hoo ! Wonderful. You back is to the camera, we cant see that smile.

Kaiser · Post by **Kaiser** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:02 am

Fantastic, thats a milestone, congrats !

John Warren · Post by **John Warren** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:25 am

I love you guys sharing your projects , keep updating please. Rich, I went to an auction here in town and was thinking of you and your bike.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:46 am

That is a great looking '20. I wish mine were that far along. It also reminds me of our show last Summer. That is what I should be doing today.
Thanks for sharing those.
Rich

Post by **PDGx** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:11 pm

May not be Poetry, but it’s (finally) in Motion.

https://youtu.be/noPBxvtXbXc

Now to take it all back apart, and prep for paint.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:28 pm

Oh Yes! It is Poetry too!
That is Great!
Rich

Post by **Ruxstel24** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:46 pm

Very nice Paul !! Can’t wait to see it painted.

Post by **PDGx** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:21 am

Thanks.. Me too.

I don’t believe I will ever complain about hand cranking a T, ever - again.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:51 am

Does that Beast have a compression release. My White does but it still takes much more than a T. My shoulder is starting to complain after 40 years. Ts are a breeze.
Keep us posted.
Rich

Post by **PDGx** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:18 pm

No. Nor does it have primers, so it takes 3-4 revs to charge the cylinders to get it to kick. Usually takes 2-3 attempts, by then you’re wasted. Powering thru the compression strokes is a ?itch.
But when it starts, it runs great.

Post by **Rich Eagle** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:09 pm

I have to spin mine 5 turns with the choke on and then 5 more turns and it takes off. My magnets may be weak. I do have a starter hole and teeth on the flywheel. A starter may be in order now.
I have to be close to TDC or it won't fire. I know what you mean powering thru.
Are we tough guys or just not too bright?

Post by **PDGx** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:32 pm

Well after working on this for so long, you really begin to question your sanity of starting on it. (Bought it 13 years ago Monday

)

But when you compare the ‘before’ with the ‘after’(current), at least you feel a bit better about it. ..

And now it runs !

Post by **Duey_C** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:39 pm

That big 471 sure runs nice! Thanks Paul!
Like that ZF-4 mag too. Playing with U-4's and a ZR-4 out in the shop.

babychadwick · Post by **babychadwick** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:20 pm

Im working on tracing some fuel delivery problems on the starboard engine. The picture was taken about 5 miles off shore. Road blocks are established and the entire county is closed to non-residents. Its nice without the tourists.